Beware travelers with bratty kids

"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 1/25/2007 10:54:46 AM, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

That is ALWAYS the way it starts (see: "BUT IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN").

Hey, I am just as critical of that attitude as the next guy and I am a
tough
disciplinarian to my three little boys, but since having children I have
moved from "the high and the mighty know-it-all" to one who has just a bit
more compassion, even for the obvious bratty kids. After all, it is not
their
fault they are that way.

But, the reality is that even the best of children might attempt to cross
the
line on occasion, be it due to exhaustion, low blood sugar or just human
nature. Disciplining a child in front of an airplane-full of passengers is
not always the easiest choice (especially in lieu of these new, silly
anti-spanking laws), and walking off the aircraft to handle the child is
understandably tough, too. Without knowing the parents or actually
witnessing
the situation, my first, apparently contrarian position is one of
compassion
rather than condemnation.


Well, my kids are in their 20's now, but we never had a problem because, 1)
we nipped bad behavior in the bud from the time they were infants (NOTE: We
never spanked/hit any of the three), and 2) we prepared them for social
settings, and 3) we made sure they were prepared for the days affairs (i.e.,
naps, health, properly fed, no caffeine/sugar before hand...

If the parents behavior is any indication, the kid is just naturally
following what transpires _all the time_ at home. For that I have ZERO
compassion (i.e., mental juvenile delinquents breeding kids).

Matt Barrow

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 1/25/2007 9:13:06 AM, "Matt Barrow" wrote:

Probably half the problems in the nanny state world we now live in
derived
from people that really "give a ****".
I was thinking from the angle of basic human compassion, not government
level
intervention.

That is ALWAYS the way it starts (see: "BUT IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN").


Right-on! The good ol' "Kid Card" gets played. G

The Kid Card can justify anything the player wants, if played correctly.

And believe me, they know how to play it (both kids and "adults").

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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"The father said his family would never fly AirTran again."

Makes me want to fly AirTran.


Same here!

My wife (a 2nd grade teacher) and I were wondering how many read that
article and said the same. I don't feel sorry for parents who can't
control a kid and seem to feel that everyone else should have to put up
with it.

What do you want to bet that such behavior is the norm for that kid (if the
parents are as the article indicates)?

Imagine how that kid might have acted for the entire flight? G

Like I said, that's probably the norm for that kid.

"John Theune" wrote in message
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B A R R Y wrote:

My wife (a 2nd grade teacher) and I were wondering how many read that
article and said the same. I don't feel sorry for parents who can't
control a kid and seem to feel that everyone else should have to put up
with it.

Imagine how that kid might have acted for the entire flight? G
The msnbc site that I read the story on had a poll and 68% of the
respondents agreed with AirTran

The other 32% either never had to fly with a bratty kid (or bratty adult),
or their kids behave that way all the time so they're used to it.

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Ok enough talk about passenger'ing. I did have a beautiful San
fRancisco Bay Tour last night. 1 hour of piloting a 1981 Archer over
what looks like a model city of San Francisco complete with twinkling
lights is so much more enjoyable than sitting in first on a UA jet. My
pax enjoyed it too although they complained about no peanuts. ;-)

Now *that* is flying!

You need to fly Atlas out here sometime!

The sad thing is that I've done the Bay Tour so many times, I don't even
bother taking pictures any more, even though the bridge and the
city look very different depending on the lighting and cloud/fog
conditions. Passengers are always amazed though as we pass over
downtown and SFO at 1500ft.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

On Jan 25, 11:45 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Peter R. writes:

I'd say that was a case where two people were allowed to
significantly delay the lives of about 100 others.

If you fire them, they won't be a problem again.And what would you fire them for? Not having personal access to a wormhole?

Xmess doesn't have to deal with the Pilots Unions or regs in his
fantasy world

Kingfish wrote:

http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dl...0121/COLUMN01/...


After reading the second account (with the appropriate spin) it does
seem AirTran was a bit heavy-handed here. I think they did the right
thing by refunding the tickets and offering the free passes. I know if
I were stuck sitting behind that kid I'd go out of my tree after too
long

We will never know what the real story was. I was on a flight once
where the flight attendant repeatedly told the parents to have their
child sit down as the seatbelt sign was on and it was for the child's
own protection. The parents would duly buckle up the kid and as soon as
the FA turned her back the kid was running around again. I informed the
FA the kid was up (climbing over unoccupied seats, etc.) and the FA told
me it was the 4th time she'd dealt with them. Mind you this kid was ok,
it was the parents who were idiots. The kid wasn't whining or crying or
anything when seated properly. The FA had the captain turn off the belt
sign and when she had time came and sat in the empty seat next to me and
we chatted about the horrors of passengers.

Margy

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:54:47 -0700, in
, Matt Barrow wrote:
And when your car breaks down out west, you see beaucoup people who lend
a hand who really don't give a **** what other people think.

A few weeks ago, we drove from Houston to Jackson, WY for a bit of skiing
and snowmobiling... This was during a major snow storm that had DIA
passengers stuck sleeping in the airport... On the way back, taking a
detour through New Mexico because of some road closures, we were in a very
long line of cars on US-84 heading towards I-40... There was a guy in a
pickup pulled off on the side of the road... It was obvious from his angle
and the marks on the ground that he was stuck and had slid sideways even
though that area was paved... It sloped away from the highway, so he just
couldn't get enough traction to get up the slight incline... Not a single
person had stopped to give the guy a hand... I turned around, drove back,
and informed him that that was probably not a good place to park while
tossing him a chain and pulling him back out onto the road... No big deal,
probably took less than 5 minutes of my time... Often when you do this,
the recipient will ask how much they owe you... I just tell them that next
time they see someone in a similar situation, just stop and help instead
of driving on past them...

Now, on the other hand, if the problem that someone has is just a flat,
I'm less likely to help them since I figure that if you own a car you
should know how to change a flat... If they're out of gas, I might help
them move the vehicle where it is not blocking the road / tow it to the
nearest parking lot... Not so much because I want to help them, but just
to get their damn vehicle off the road and not blocking traffic... Never
drive anything bigger than you're willing to push... For me, that means
being willing to push close to 6000 lbs... Damn, sure hope it's not an
uphill push...

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:50:27 +0000, in
, B A R R Y wrote:
Imagine how that kid might have acted for the entire flight? G

Before or after the sweat sock and duct tape?

This thread got me to thinking...
Actually ALL children under 5 years of age are BIOHAZARDS
and should be isolated.






"Grumman-581" wrote
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news | On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:50:27 +0000, in
| , B A R
R Y wrote:
| Imagine how that kid might have acted for the entire
flight? G
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| Before or after the sweat sock and duct tape?