GA Flying Down 20%

PS. Have you ever been to Rugen or surroundings? I'm planning to go
there late September for a weekend.


Highly recommended! Great area to fly over, great area to be at. You'll
need a rental car to get around on the ground, however. Do a ferry trip
to the little island of Hiddensee!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Jun 5, 1:28 pm, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
PS. Have you ever been to Rugen or surroundings? I'm planning to go
there late September for a weekend.

Highly recommended! Great area to fly over, great area to be at. You'll
need a rental car to get around on the ground, however. Do a ferry trip
to the little island of Hiddensee!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thanks, especially about needing a car.

-Kees

MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

Facts?

If a government knowingly increases the cost of an activity, through
excessive taxation, that's called "social engineering". It's
precisely what we are fighting in the US right now with all the
proposed new taxes on flying..

Look at the cost of avgas in France, and see what percentage of the
overall cost is tax, and what percentage actually goes to pay for the
fuel. If the tax costs more than the commodity itself, it's safe to
say that the French government doesn't want its people to buy the
commodity.

Our government does the same thing with cigarettes, and other things
it regards as undesireable. Why Europe regards GA as undesireable is
the *real* question, IMHO.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Jun 5, 2:25 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

Facts?

If a government knowingly increases the cost of an activity, through
excessive taxation, that's called "social engineering". It's
precisely what we are fighting in the US right now with all the
proposed new taxes on flying..

Look at the cost of avgas in France, and see what percentage of the
overall cost is tax, and what percentage actually goes to pay for the
fuel. If the tax costs more than the commodity itself, it's safe to
say that the French government doesn't want its people to buy the
commodity.


And that is not something exclusive for the French government, it is
common practice in much of Europe.
BTW, the French support their GA rather well.
Their landing fees are low if any, somebody has to pay for the
airfield and its infrastructure. I wonder were all that money comes
from. Not from the users, that is for sure.

Our government does the same thing with cigarettes, and other things
it regards as undesireable. Why Europe regards GA as undesireable is
the *real* question, IMHO.

They do not, they regard it as not very necessary.
But it looks like opinions are changing in favour of GA with the EU
expanding to the East.

-Kees

writes:

I see, you meant that flying for fun in France is extremely difficult
for you.

No, I meant it is extremely difficult, period.

But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.

They make the rules, and they make a lot of them.

writes:

Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.

It's painfully expensive compared to flying in the U.S., and the U.S. isn't
cheap.

Thomas Borchert writes:

That's just not true by any kind of measure. France is EXTREMELY
favorable to GA. And it is very easy to fly for fun in the country. It
is more expensive than the US, but compared to many other countries in
Europe, France is doing very well in GA. MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

I base my view on what pilots who have flown in both countries tell me, and on
the readily available information on the actual costs and obstacles.

Jay Honeck writes:

Why Europe regards GA as undesireable is
the *real* question, IMHO.

Europeans don't like anything that is out of the ordinary. They believe that
exceptional things should be reserved to a privileged class. They build their
social and legal structures to enforce this. They also deny it vehemently at
every opportunity, so much so that one wonders exactly whom they are trying to
convince.

Jay,

If the tax costs more than the commodity itself, it's safe to
say that the French government doesn't want its people to buy the
commodity.


Uhm, that's not how taxes work, mostly.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic,

They make the rules, and they make a lot of them.


Care to show us "a lot" of rules that exceed ICAO standards in France?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)