BA 777 crash at Heathrow

On Jan 19, 11:37 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes:
I'm sure most remember that was not at all what happened. Red faces all
over Air France when their hot shot demo pilot had a "Hey, watch this"
moment.

Especially when his stunt exposed serious problems with the aircraft
fly-by-wire software ... serious enough to require doctoring the black box so
that nobody would find out about them. That was when I wrote Airbus off
permanently. Safety obviously wasn't a priority.


That's a bit too unreasonable. Don't think it was a software problem,
btw, but of the engines of that time requiring a certain spool-up
time. That's how an A320 came down rather close to my backyard 18
years ago in Bangalore.

Ramapriya

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The radio gear has improived quite a lot since then. We regulaly do Cat3
autolandings and damned if the airplane doesn't do them almost
perfectly. I mean the needles don't budge on the way down an ILS. Used
to be I could go donw an ILS almost as good myself, but we use auto
aproach so much nowadays that edge is disappearing.
Don;t know about the 380. I vaguely remember one having a runway
excursion, but I can't remember where.


Bertie

Thanks for the info. I'll rest a little easier when in back end and
approach is to minimums in heavy rain at night.

380 may not have been current? You notice that things seem to get
recycled at later dates when somone just receives it and forwards with
no date of event.

Big John.

Big John wrote in
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The radio gear has improived quite a lot since then. We regulaly do
Cat3
autolandings and damned if the airplane doesn't do them almost
perfectly. I mean the needles don't budge on the way down an ILS. Used
to be I could go donw an ILS almost as good myself, but we use auto
aproach so much nowadays that edge is disappearing.
Don;t know about the 380. I vaguely remember one having a runway
excursion, but I can't remember where.


Bertie

Thanks for the info. I'll rest a little easier when in back end and
approach is to minimums in heavy rain at night.

Oh yeah, it works very well. We can land in absolutely zero/zero
perfectly safely, though we actully need a little bit of vis to be legal
just so we can find outr way of the runway! But in many places we land
with no DH at all, and no requirement to see anything before touchdown,
though we always see something. We can land in places we can't take off
from! On touchdown, the airplane will continue down the runway
absolutely on the center line. The autobrakes will stop us the
speedbrakes auto-deploy and the only thing we do manually is select
reverse if we want it.



380 may not have been current? You notice that things seem to get
recycled at later dates when somone just receives it and forwards with
no date of event.


Yeah, I can't remember, exactly, but i think it was some time ago.

Dunno.

Bertie

D Ramapriya wrote in
:

On Jan 19, 11:37 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes:
I'm sure most remember that was not at all what happened. Red faces
all over Air France when their hot shot demo pilot had a "Hey,
watch this" moment.

Especially when his stunt exposed serious problems with the aircraft
fly-by-wire software ... serious enough to require doctoring the
black box so that nobody would find out about them. That was when I
wrote Airbus off permanently. Safety obviously wasn't a priority.


That's a bit too unreasonable. Don't think it was a software problem,
btw, but of the engines of that time requiring a certain spool-up
time. That's how an A320 came down rather close to my backyard 18
years ago in Bangalore.

No, actually, that had nothing to do with spool up times. I think that was
the first one that they used the phrase "Aircraft-crew interface" The
problem was the airplane got wel ahead of the crew, they were unaware of
what modes the various auto functions were in and just didn't realise what
was going on in general. The spool up times would have been almost
insignificant in this case, and in any case, spool up times are very quick
on modern engines, almost as fast as pistons and in some cases.
Basically those guys got a high rate of descnet going with no power on and
descended far too rapidly and didnt so anything about it until it was too
late. This got to be a feature of several early 'Bus accidents and the
aricraft-crew interface accident list grew fairly quickly in those early
FBW days.


Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
Big wrote:

Got some pictures from a VN friend who now works for FAA of a 380 that
ran off taxi way some place. Do you know where and how did they
recover. Didn't look like any damage as was just taxiing. If you want
the pictures, give me a e-mail address I can send to.

Wasn't that the one that was being towed, and there was a problem with the
tug?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7182496.stm

Andy

D Ramapriya writes:

That's a bit too unreasonable. Don't think it was a software problem,
btw, but of the engines of that time requiring a certain spool-up
time.

Why were the flight recorders tampered with? What was being hidden?

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

D Ramapriya writes:

That's a bit too unreasonable. Don't think it was a software problem,
btw, but of the engines of that time requiring a certain spool-up
time.

Why were the flight recorders tampered with? What was being hidden?


Probably your ****ups, wannabe boi


Bertie

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:34:05 GMT, Andy Hawkins
wrote:

Hi,

In article ,
Big wrote:

Got some pictures from a VN friend who now works for FAA of a 380 that
ran off taxi way some place. Do you know where and how did they
recover. Didn't look like any damage as was just taxiing. If you want
the pictures, give me a e-mail address I can send to.

Wasn't that the one that was being towed, and there was a problem with the
tug?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7182496.stm

Andy


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Andy

Tnx for site with info. See that it is a current event and not
history.

Wonder why they tow bird out to R/W instead of taxi unless to save avn
fuel????

Big John

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:22:34 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Big John wrote in
:




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The radio gear has improived quite a lot since then. We regulaly do
Cat3
autolandings and damned if the airplane doesn't do them almost
perfectly. I mean the needles don't budge on the way down an ILS. Used
to be I could go donw an ILS almost as good myself, but we use auto
aproach so much nowadays that edge is disappearing.
Don;t know about the 380. I vaguely remember one having a runway
excursion, but I can't remember where.


Bertie

Thanks for the info. I'll rest a little easier when in back end and
approach is to minimums in heavy rain at night.

Oh yeah, it works very well. We can land in absolutely zero/zero
perfectly safely, though we actully need a little bit of vis to be legal
just so we can find outr way of the runway! But in many places we land
with no DH at all, and no requirement to see anything before touchdown,
though we always see something. We can land in places we can't take off
from! On touchdown, the airplane will continue down the runway
absolutely on the center line. The autobrakes will stop us the
speedbrakes auto-deploy and the only thing we do manually is select
reverse if we want it.



380 may not have been current? You notice that things seem to get
recycled at later dates when somone just receives it and forwards with
no date of event.


Yeah, I can't remember, exactly, but i think it was some time ago.

Dunno.

Bertie
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Bertie

I can see now why the Airlines are talking about taking Private Pilots
who have just upgraded to Commercial and putting in right seat to fill
coming Pilot shortage due to lack of retired Mil Pilots.

Knew you all had zero zero but haden't read that was authorized,
except only at a few airports with special birds and trained aircrews.
Big brother all the way.

Big John

Big John wrote in
:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:22:34 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Big John wrote in
m:




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The radio gear has improived quite a lot since then. We regulaly do
Cat3
autolandings and damned if the airplane doesn't do them almost
perfectly. I mean the needles don't budge on the way down an ILS.
Used to be I could go donw an ILS almost as good myself, but we use
auto aproach so much nowadays that edge is disappearing.
Don;t know about the 380. I vaguely remember one having a runway
excursion, but I can't remember where.


Bertie

Thanks for the info. I'll rest a little easier when in back end and
approach is to minimums in heavy rain at night.

Oh yeah, it works very well. We can land in absolutely zero/zero
perfectly safely, though we actully need a little bit of vis to be
legal just so we can find outr way of the runway! But in many places
we land with no DH at all, and no requirement to see anything before
touchdown, though we always see something. We can land in places we
can't take off from! On touchdown, the airplane will continue down the
runway absolutely on the center line. The autobrakes will stop us the
speedbrakes auto-deploy and the only thing we do manually is select
reverse if we want it.



380 may not have been current? You notice that things seem to get
recycled at later dates when somone just receives it and forwards
with no date of event.


Yeah, I can't remember, exactly, but i think it was some time ago.

Dunno.

Bertie
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Bertie

I can see now why the Airlines are talking about taking Private Pilots
who have just upgraded to Commercial and putting in right seat to fill
coming Pilot shortage due to lack of retired Mil Pilots.

Knew you all had zero zero but haden't read that was authorized,
except only at a few airports with special birds and trained aircrews.
Big brother all the way.


That's right. The aircraft has to be certified, and the runway and the
crew. There's not a lot to it with us. the autopilot does it and we
monitor. There are a number of gates where we check to make sure it's
all working and the right lights come on and what not, but it's pretty
much just switch the stuff on and guide it onto the ILS. Almost every
large airliner still flying can do it nowadays.
We're not licenced for 0/0. nobody is because the airport would be
logjammed with people taxiing into each other! We can land with 200' vis
which ain't much!



Bertie