Discovery Flight today...unexpected results

Took 3 years of flying and just under 200 total hours for the inevitable
emergency for me. We'd just practiced emergency engine failure *two
weeks* prior, and at only 1300' AGL, having the drill freshfreshfresh in
our minds was helpful. Having been through it takes away the "I wonder
what that would be like and how I would react?" questions, but calm? I
doubt having been through it would take away the "Oh Sh*t!" part of it.

Shirl

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

Jim

Shirl:
Took 3 years of flying and just under 200 total hours for the inevitable
emergency for me. We'd just practiced emergency engine failure *two
weeks* prior, and at only 1300' AGL, having the drill freshfreshfresh in
our minds was helpful. Having been through it takes away the "I wonder
what that would be like and how I would react?" questions, but calm? I
doubt having been through it would take away the "Oh Sh*t!" part of it.

RST Engineering:
Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Oh, I know you weren't implying that.
We had less than a minute, were busy flying the plane, getting our
emergency call made, and then shutting things off (had just topped off
the tanks and were only 6 min into the flight). If we'd had room for
passengers, there wouldn't have been time for any discussion about it,
nor did we have time to think about securing objects.

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

Yeah, mine was totaled, 10 hrs after a near total restoration. But have
to be grateful to have walked away.

WingFlaps writes:

Good troll MX, but to be honest he dreams of actual flight, not
playing at flying.

If people dream of _playing_ at flying, it wouldn't be simulation, would it?

RST Engineering writes:

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency. When
pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it hardly
sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.

On Feb 14, 9:01*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
WingFlaps writes:
Good troll MX, but to be honest he dreams of actual flight, not
playing at flying.

If people dream of _playing_ at flying, it wouldn't be simulation, would it?

Bzzt. you lose. Look up the meaning of "playing".

Cheers

Mxsmanic wrote:
DGS writes:

Thanks all for your suggestions, I just don't think this is for me
anymore.

Try flight simulation.

That is probably what contributed to the problem.

*No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.

LOL an oxymoron from our resident moron MX

Cheers

Mxsmanic wrote in
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RST Engineering writes:

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten
seconds to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of
the minute or two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff
(including the passengers), briefing them that this is NOT a drill,
and hitting the softest, least expensive object you can find (in that
order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was
then scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency.
When pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it
hardly sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who
expects an emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one
sooner or later.


Yeah, much beter to pretend they don't ever happen. Which , of course,for
you they won't!


Bertie

Nomen Nescio wrote in
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From: Mxsmanic

You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency.
When pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it
hardly sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who
expects an emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one
sooner or later.

I am confident that you will never need to handle an in flight
emergency.

He he.


Many here can vouch for the value in training for these, I'm sure. I have
had a couple of textbook emergencies in which training came to the fore in
an instant. After the initial surprise and a nanosecond of disbelief, it's
uncanny how well procedures work on the day and how they free you up to
deal with miscelanneous incidental annoyances that might result from the
scenario. For those problems that aren't "in the book" there's just no
substitute for knowledge. Systems, weather, navigation, whatever.. But when
things degenerate quickly, like with an engine failure or fire, it's
training and more training.

Bertie

DGS wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:11:38 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

On your issue; I'd mention your nervousness to the instructor before you
fly again. One thing that might help you is to remember what I've said
here in this answer as you walk out to the airplane. It's THIS
relationship you want with your own instructor. If this one isn't giving
it to you, get one who does.


At least for the foreseeable future I've decided to put my lessons on
hold. After 5 days I'm still pretty rattled by the whole experience
and I simply no longer look forward to it as I did before the
discovery flight. I think I'm probably wound too tight, not
necessarily to take the lessons and get the license, but for the
inevitable emergency that will at some point take place while I'm in
the cockpit.

Bitterly disappointed really, I plan on getting some help for the
bigger issue which is my nervousness and fear.

Thanks all for your suggestions, I just don't think this is for me
anymore.


Get back on the horse and do it soon. The longer you wait the harder it
will be.