Stalls??

On Feb 13, 3:08 pm, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...

Why is it so many pilots are afraid of stalls? I see it over an over
when doing flight reviews and checks. Why are pilots so afraid of
flying in the low end of the speed envelope? Isn't that where the
nasty things can happen? Isn't that where a pilot should be
comfortable and competent?
What do you think?
Its a loaded? question and comes from a 24,000+ hour pilot and active
instructor. I'd really like to see some active discussion on this
subject. I'm tired of seeing aircraft damaged by sloppy flying, and
even more tired of seeing people injured by same.
Got any comments?
Ol S&B

Well as a low time weekend warrior type I don't dislike doing stalls but I
treat it with a lot of respect. I don't go out by myself and work on stalls
unless I have a CFI with me. I take a CFI with me quite a bit because
sometimes I will go a couple months in between flights with my work schedule
so I feel a lot more comfortable with a seasoned pilot with me. Eventually
I'd like to own my own plane and fly more but work and house payments don't
make that possible right now. If I flew more I'm sure I would be more
comfortable with those maneuvers but comfort always come with experience.

Have you ever tried a panic stop in your vehicle? Or are you just
hoping you'll know what to do when you have to?

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of
a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
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Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a
borrowed Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))

Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))

Cheers

Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))


Hope you had your training wheels on.


bertie

Are you kidding? You think I wanted to roll off??????

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:51:37 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Big John wrote:
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But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed. They are totally stalled, and to boot one wing always
stalls first, falls of and immediately a spin develops in that
direction. One simply has to know that slow flight is always a touchy
thing to do and airspeed observation is crucial. The Mooney series
has leading edge stall strips about 30% out from the wing root to make
the stall beak earlier at a faster airspeed where control effectivenes
is better. light and powerful rudder and you have one easily spun
airplane.


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Angelo campanella

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Angelo

Stall strip on inboard portion of wings are to cause the inboard
section of wing to stall before the tips, where ailerons are located..

This is to give you some aileron control in early part of a stall.

You say "But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed".

I've stalled aircraft at 400-500 mph. Not a big deal.

Big John
I agree John. I hate to see stall linked to airspeed in any way but to
note that the stall speeds on the ASI are based on 1g flight at a
specific gross weight.
I don't even like stall warning devices. I want pilots recognizing
approach to stall by how the airplane feels and is behaving.

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Dudley

No one learns to fly by feel any more and haven't for years.

I saw many Air Force students that could fly 60/30 super. They made
adequate bomber and transport pilots but were an accident waiting to
happen in Fighters.

Guess I was lucky (or damn good). I was able to recognize approaching
a stall in all the aircraft I have flown and was able to take
corrective action if it was inadvertent. Best I can remember was roll
off to a max of 90 degrees before I stopped roll and recovered with a
minimum loss of altitude. If a bird departs you need to get ahead of
it immediately.

I've been in programs where the airspeed was taped over and bird flown
and landed without it. Closest I've come to flying by feel since my
open cockpit days.

All this being said, if you get a nervous nellie then they are unable
to even stand a program like that even if it might save their life
some day.

And a good day to you and all.

Big John

Instructors who teach stall "feel" are still out here, but you have to
spend some time finding the right ones.
When you find a CFI who tapes up the ASI and pulls the circuit breaker
on the stall warning horn to teach you to "feel" the airplane...GRAB
THEM, you've found the right one :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge
of
a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.

************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a
borrowed Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))

Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))

Cheers

Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))


Hope you had your training wheels on.


bertie

Are you kidding? You think I wanted to roll off??????




Heh heh!

Bertie

On Feb 17, 1:17*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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*You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))

Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! *:-0 *:-)))

Cheers

Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))


Ah, then you forgot that the YES followed by I WILL from Mrs. H. was
the best of all -right?!

:-)

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 1:17 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
----------clip---------
You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.
It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))
Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))
Cheers
Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))


Ah, then you forgot that the YES followed by I WILL from Mrs. H. was
the best of all -right?!

:-)

Cheers

Thank you. Actually that would have been number one.
You're right on too. I'm one of the lucky ones. I married my best friend
42 years ago and she's still my best friend today. Getting her to say
yes was the luckiest damn thing I ever managed to do in my whole life
and hearing her say it was absolutely number one on the list.


--
Dudley Henriques

On 2008-02-13 12:53:53 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" said:

Why is it so many pilots are afraid of stalls? I see it over an over
when doing flight reviews and checks. Why are pilots so afraid of
flying in the low end of the speed envelope? Isn't that where the
nasty things can happen? Isn't that where a pilot should be
comfortable and competent?
What do you think?
Its a loaded? question and comes from a 24,000+ hour pilot and active
instructor. I'd really like to see some active discussion on this
subject. I'm tired of seeing aircraft damaged by sloppy flying, and
even more tired of seeing people injured by same.
Got any comments?
Ol S&B

If I have a student who is nervous about stalls, I have him take the
control yoke by the stem behind the horns and have him pull the yoke
back for a power-off stall. This keeps him from trying to use aileron.
Instead of recovering, I have him hold the plane in a stall and just
keep the wings level using rudder. (I of course keep my own feet
lightly on the rudders.)

A pilot's fear of stalls is greatly reduced once he learns that the
airplane will not do anything he will not tell it to do.

I have had instructors who were afraid of stalls. I think this fear of
stalls gets handed down from one instructor to the next. I make sure
that any new flight instructors that I teach gain a thorough
understanding of stalls. We probably spend more time doing stalls than
any other maneuver. I want them to be as boring as dead grass.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote in
news:2008021619364216807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2008-02-13 12:53:53 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
said:

Why is it so many pilots are afraid of stalls? I see it over an over
when doing flight reviews and checks. Why are pilots so afraid of
flying in the low end of the speed envelope? Isn't that where the
nasty things can happen? Isn't that where a pilot should be
comfortable and competent?
What do you think?
Its a loaded? question and comes from a 24,000+ hour pilot and active
instructor. I'd really like to see some active discussion on this
subject. I'm tired of seeing aircraft damaged by sloppy flying, and
even more tired of seeing people injured by same.
Got any comments?
Ol S&B

If I have a student who is nervous about stalls, I have him take the
control yoke by the stem behind the horns and have him pull the yoke
back for a power-off stall. This keeps him from trying to use aileron.
Instead of recovering, I have him hold the plane in a stall and just
keep the wings level using rudder. (I of course keep my own feet
lightly on the rudders.)

A pilot's fear of stalls is greatly reduced once he learns that the
airplane will not do anything he will not tell it to do.



Absoluely. Almost all fears are born of ignorance.


Bertie

On Feb 17, 4:26*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 1:17 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
----------clip---------
*You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.
It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))
Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! *:-0 *:-)))
Cheers
Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))

Ah, then you forgot that the YES followed by I WILL from Mrs. H. was
the best of all -right?!

:-)

Cheers

Thank you. Actually that would have been number one.
You're right on too. I'm one of the lucky ones. I married my best friend
42 years ago and she's still my best friend today. Getting her to say
yes was the luckiest damn thing I ever managed to do in my whole life
and hearing her say it was absolutely number one on the list.


Good on you, and here's to many more years of successful partnership.

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 4:26 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 1:17 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
----------clip---------
You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.
It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))
Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))
Cheers
Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))
Ah, then you forgot that the YES followed by I WILL from Mrs. H. was
the best of all -right?!
:-)
Cheers
Thank you. Actually that would have been number one.
You're right on too. I'm one of the lucky ones. I married my best friend
42 years ago and she's still my best friend today. Getting her to say
yes was the luckiest damn thing I ever managed to do in my whole life
and hearing her say it was absolutely number one on the list.


Good on you, and here's to many more years of successful partnership.

Cheers

Many thanks.

--
Dudley Henriques