Hercules Engines

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote:

Hang on here a second now Jim, you still need two samples. As Dan
says you need 'static pressure' to read the altitude from and you
need 'pitot pressure' (ram air pressure) as well as the static
pressure to derive the airspeed reading from. Sounds like you're
saying that you can read 'both' from just the 'ram air pressure'
alone. Or did I misunderstand you?

Jim has finally figued out what a pitot tube is, but somehow he still
wants
to be correct in his archive troll. It is a great paradox.


Tell us about those mud wasps again, Splaps.

"Well no actually, there is no pitot tube on a 727, only a screened over
pitot static port.
But thanks for being an idiot once again.
No pitot tube silly bunny.
It would be profoundly stupid to put a home for mud wasps on an airplane
flying as much as a 727."
John Tarver

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Hey Splappy,

Do you remember this series of pronouncements;

From: "Tarver Engineering" Newsgroups:
rec.aviation.military Subject: Do Hercules military
aircraft use the same fuel as civilian aircraft? Date:
Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:19:37 -0800 snip
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Not really. On the T56 engine TIT = (T)urbine (I)nlet
(T)empreture.

Yes really, on every jet engine TIT is Total Inlet
Temperature.

Yep.

Nope.

Once again, Tarver goes TITs up.

Once again the Bunyip has been mazored.

Nice troll though.

I'm an excellent troll, actually.

Bertie

Nah, you're crap! ;-)

But what's this rec.aviation.military froup? How can anything
military be merely recreational?

You must have been out of circualtion. Check out the war in Iraq
thing..

After dinner, we played a jolly game of "Hunt The WMD".

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 at 05:04 GMT, Bertie the Bunyip wrote in

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But what's this rec.aviation.military froup? How can anything
military be merely recreational?

You must have been out of circualtion. Check out the war in Iraq
thing..

After dinner, we played a jolly game of "Hunt The WMD".

Did you use mazoring to "hunt the WMD", or only conventional means?

Ralph Nesbitt wrote:


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Lockheed has used some version/model of the Allison T-56 since "1956"
on
all
C-130 models. Yes it is called a Allison T-56 because it was a "56
model
Allison Turbine Engine". The same year the C-130 first flew at/from
Marietta, Ga.

Hi Guys,
I took some photos of a pair of Hercs last year, both with two different
sets of motors/blades (I'm not a herc-o-phile, so I have no idea)
What are these?

http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...how2003&id=aay
http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...how2003&id=aby
http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...how2003&id=aap
http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...me=airshow2003

Cheers,
Richard

First two are J-models, third looks like an H model. )
Steve R.


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Ralph Nesbitt wrote:


"Steve R." wrote in message
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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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Lockheed has used some version/model of the Allison T-56 since "1956"
on
all
C-130 models. Yes it is called a Allison T-56 because it was a "56
model
Allison Turbine Engine". The same year the C-130 first flew at/from
Marietta, Ga.

Hi Guys,
I took some photos of a pair of Hercs last year, both with two different
sets of motors/blades (I'm not a herc-o-phile, so I have no idea)
What are these?


http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...mName=airshow2
003&id=aay

http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...mName=airshow2
003&id=aby

http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...mName=airshow2
003&id=aap

http://www.strawbale-house.com/galle...mName=airshow2
003

Cheers,
Richard

"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote:

Hang on here a second now Jim, you still need two samples. As Dan
says you need 'static pressure' to read the altitude from and you
need 'pitot pressure' (ram air pressure) as well as the static
pressure to derive the airspeed reading from. Sounds like you're
saying that you can read 'both' from just the 'ram air pressure'
alone. Or did I misunderstand you?

Jim has finally figued out what a pitot tube is, but somehow he still
wants
to be correct in his archive troll. It is a great paradox.

I know...ain't life a bitch John

It is amazing that Knoyle would spend so much time and money on an archive
troll about pitot tubes, when he never knew what one was.

Tell us about those mud wasps again, Splaps.

I need not go any further village idiot, Knoyle.

Your archive troll is purely a demonstration of your own stupidity, finally
revealed for all to see.

On 18 Jan 2004 08:08:50 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 1/18/2004 12:48 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(B2431) wrote:



OK, I see where you are coming from. The pitot pressure DOES vary by
altitude.
To compensate for that when measuring airspeed you use static pressure to
give
you altitude. Some aircraft detect static pressure from holes on the side of
the pitot tube and others have the static ports located elswhere.

But you need BOTH Dan, you cannot measure airspeed AND altitude
unless you have BOTH pitot pressure AND static pressure...

That's what I said.

Did you also say that you can't correct them without OAT, outside air
temperature? That's the third element of a pitot-static air data
system.

Mary

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I ask because I came across an interesting paragraph in the T56-A-15
service manual yesterday. Went like this...

Same for any MM, the data does not need to be accurate.

grief !
so if that were the case, then a generic manual would suffice.

Nope, the manual has to be close enough to do the work. Errors in MMs are
commomplace and not any real hazard.

hmmmmm of course slaps boy. a manual error is no real hazard. look at
the results of the recent BE-1900 incident.

Just as B-52 operators don't really
need to know how their wing works,

no ?

mechanics don't really need to know how a system works.

speaking from your own personal understanding then ?

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Hey Splappy,

Do you remember this series of pronouncements;

From: "Tarver Engineering"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Do Hercules military aircraft use the same fuel as
civilian aircraft?
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:19:37 -0800
snip
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Not really. On the T56 engine TIT = (T)urbine (I)nlet
(T)empreture.

Yes really, on every jet engine TIT is Total Inlet Temperature.

Yep.

Nope.

Yep, the individually wired theromcouples are sent to a Totalizer, when
they
are not wired in series. That is why the datum is a total.

One has to wonder if the trolls of ram will ever catch a clue.

The irony of it all.


do you know what "series" and "parallel" means ??

Sure. I am an engineer with a masters degree.

yup, see comment regarding.


the irony of it all indeed !

So funny and so stupid.

it is. and even funnier that you clearly do not grasp the irony. dont
be so hard on yourself; stupid no, moronic, yes.

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"Rick" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering, frantically backpedaling, wrote:

Your problem, however is the term, "total" and not whatever direction
you
want to take the thread, in an attempt to look less foolish.

Any miscomprehension of TURBINE INLET TEMPERATURE is yours
alone.

Turbine Inlet Temperature is a linear function displayed to the operator,
but it must be derived from the sqrt(T) function that is Total Inlet
Temperature.

I don't know where you went to airplane school, Rick, but you may have
grounds for a lawsuit.


perhaps it the school you went to, you know the one that gave you the
understanding that aircraft dont have a pitot as they make good homes
for mud wasps.