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Dudley Henriques wrote in
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From what you are saying I think you came a bit after me. I just
can't
remember if Size bought the operation from Vito or sold it to him.
You are right about Cristaldi and the T34. I've flown that T34 myself
having been a check pilot in that aircraft for CAP while I was there.
Lou was also a CAP check pilot. They kept it in the Tee Hangars way
down to the left of the flight office toward the big water tower. That
was a nice T34 BTW.
I remember having a student named Jordan who owned a Cessna 170 based
there. His father was an insurance guru. They lived in a virtual
palace in Villanova. :-))

Yeah, must ahve been a few yeas earlier. HiLine ust have been the FBO's
name and went with your guy. Pretty sure Vito was a partner with Vern.
He sure didn;t drive an instructors car ( you know,a 12 year old
plymouth that had to be push started) He had a Chrysler Imperial,

I nearly cry every time I see the shopping center that's replaced the
airport. Also, the "Montgomeryville Mart" behind the field is also gone
What a magical place that was! Sort of an early Wal-mart/flea market
where the hillbillies were their own bosses instead of corporate
automatons. Wonder if Ken had a stand seling mexican jumping beans or
something?
Always full of cheap and wonderful goo gaws you would never see anywhere
else. It was just north of the field. Someone landed in it once. Someone
also hit Charlie Chips one day. That was a suicide and IIRC just before
my time.
The Charlie Chips offices are now an adult book store. I think
Friendlies is now a KFC or something.
When I started there the north half of the runway was still unpaved, but
it was paved full length by the time I finished my private. Winter ops
were on the southern part of the runway only, if possible.



Bertie



Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Hey...I told my wife I was getting a haircut. She said "which one?"

You've got more than one?


Bertie

Hold on....I'm counting.........3 I think!!!


So, the treatment is working!

Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Speaking of long nights, did you catch the news the other night
about the two line pilots falling asleep and overshooting their
destination
on
one of the Hawaiian Islands? Apparently they were all coupled up
on cruise and went right through the VOR null. ATC woke them up
going outbound on the reciprocal. I missed on how far out they
got, but one things' for sure. There wasn't much in front of them
to land on and
they
were supposedly fueled up for the short haul.
Unbelievable :-)))))

Oh completely believable!
BTW, we don't use VORs anymore except to update the inertial stuff,
if even that. If we fly to a VOR it could just as well be any other
waypoint in the box for the nav value it's providing. Spooky eh?
The both guys falling asleep is enough of an issue that they have
alarms in the flight deck that go off if you don't play with
something for over 15 minutes. Best thing to do if you're both
feeling dozy is for one guy to get very uncomfortable and the other
to take a 15 minute nap. Our human factors training even gives
advice on how to power nap and my company condones the practice.
The alternative is uncontroled microsleep ( when your head nods for
a few seocnds and you wake up again abruptly) which is completely
beyond even the most determined person's control and is very
dangerous if it;'s happening on approach.


Bertie

Don't know if these guys were on the INS or something else, but I
vaguely recall somebody mentioning VOR. Could have been an early
inter island shuttle type if so. I didn't catch the type involved.
You know the press....if they missed a waypoint, that's a VOR!

Oh it could have been a VOR, the point is the Fligh tManagement
System just treats them like any other point in space. it doesn't use
them to naviaget, only to check it's position. So when we fly to one
we aren't using any direct info from the VOR.

I thnk it was an Airbus, but it's happened quite a lot over the
years. First exposure I had to it was on a DC-7. I was jumpseating
and woke up in some heavy weather to see both pilots out cold and the
FE messing around with something up front. A friend of mine was
deadheading on a ANT 124 and went up to ask the crew if they wanted
some coffee when they were mid- atlantic and there was nobody in the
flight deck! They'd all gone to bed.

There's a cartoon about it here, scroll down a bit

http://www.aviatorwebsite.com/acatal...ing-cards.html

And the old saw "I'd like to die in my sleep like my buddy Joe did,
and not in screaming teror like his passengers"
There was a very good cartoon depicting two guys snoring away and
drooling on aredey with the caption, "Ever vigilant, the Captain
scans the overhead panel while the copilot checks the status of the
window heat with his cheek.

Thing is, we're only human and this area falls firmly into the
territory of what I was talking about before regarding vigilance.

Bertie
Great cartoon!

So true. We are after all, only human..........MOST of us that is!!
:-))


The other one I described was even better and on every bulliten board of
every airline on the planet ( except Germany and Singapore) for a
couple of years. I have it somewhere, but where I have no idea.
Bottom line is ost airines allow naps on the flight deck if the need
arises. Oin some long haul stuff they send extra crew to cover so the
sleepyhead can go to the bunk if there is one. Doing ten hours with
nothing to do but follow a pink string and chekc the fuel every hour can
put anyone to sleep!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



From what you are saying I think you came a bit after me. I just
can't
remember if Size bought the operation from Vito or sold it to him.
You are right about Cristaldi and the T34. I've flown that T34 myself
having been a check pilot in that aircraft for CAP while I was there.
Lou was also a CAP check pilot. They kept it in the Tee Hangars way
down to the left of the flight office toward the big water tower. That
was a nice T34 BTW.
I remember having a student named Jordan who owned a Cessna 170 based
there. His father was an insurance guru. They lived in a virtual
palace in Villanova. :-))

Yeah, must ahve been a few yeas earlier. HiLine ust have been the FBO's
name and went with your guy. Pretty sure Vito was a partner with Vern.
He sure didn;t drive an instructors car ( you know,a 12 year old
plymouth that had to be push started) He had a Chrysler Imperial,

I nearly cry every time I see the shopping center that's replaced the
airport. Also, the "Montgomeryville Mart" behind the field is also gone
What a magical place that was! Sort of an early Wal-mart/flea market
where the hillbillies were their own bosses instead of corporate
automatons. Wonder if Ken had a stand seling mexican jumping beans or
something?
Always full of cheap and wonderful goo gaws you would never see anywhere
else. It was just north of the field. Someone landed in it once. Someone
also hit Charlie Chips one day. That was a suicide and IIRC just before
my time.
The Charlie Chips offices are now an adult book store. I think
Friendlies is now a KFC or something.
When I started there the north half of the runway was still unpaved, but
it was paved full length by the time I finished my private. Winter ops
were on the southern part of the runway only, if possible.



Bertie



Bertie

My memories of the place include climbing that damn tower to check the
beacon one winter day with the air temp in the teens. There was a small
restaurant right next to the property if you walked out to the highway
and turned right. We used to walk over there and drink all their coffee.
You're right. Those were great days.

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:
Hey...I told my wife I was getting a haircut. She said "which one?"
You've got more than one?


Bertie
Hold on....I'm counting.........3 I think!!!


So, the treatment is working!

Bertie

I think it's Cy's Hair Club for Men :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:


Speaking of long nights, did you catch the news the other night
about the two line pilots falling asleep and overshooting their
destination
on
one of the Hawaiian Islands? Apparently they were all coupled up
on cruise and went right through the VOR null. ATC woke them up
going outbound on the reciprocal. I missed on how far out they
got, but one things' for sure. There wasn't much in front of them
to land on and
they
were supposedly fueled up for the short haul.
Unbelievable :-)))))

Oh completely believable!
BTW, we don't use VORs anymore except to update the inertial stuff,
if even that. If we fly to a VOR it could just as well be any other
waypoint in the box for the nav value it's providing. Spooky eh?
The both guys falling asleep is enough of an issue that they have
alarms in the flight deck that go off if you don't play with
something for over 15 minutes. Best thing to do if you're both
feeling dozy is for one guy to get very uncomfortable and the other
to take a 15 minute nap. Our human factors training even gives
advice on how to power nap and my company condones the practice.
The alternative is uncontroled microsleep ( when your head nods for
a few seocnds and you wake up again abruptly) which is completely
beyond even the most determined person's control and is very
dangerous if it;'s happening on approach.


Bertie

Don't know if these guys were on the INS or something else, but I
vaguely recall somebody mentioning VOR. Could have been an early
inter island shuttle type if so. I didn't catch the type involved.
You know the press....if they missed a waypoint, that's a VOR!
Oh it could have been a VOR, the point is the Fligh tManagement
System just treats them like any other point in space. it doesn't use
them to naviaget, only to check it's position. So when we fly to one
we aren't using any direct info from the VOR.

I thnk it was an Airbus, but it's happened quite a lot over the
years. First exposure I had to it was on a DC-7. I was jumpseating
and woke up in some heavy weather to see both pilots out cold and the
FE messing around with something up front. A friend of mine was
deadheading on a ANT 124 and went up to ask the crew if they wanted
some coffee when they were mid- atlantic and there was nobody in the
flight deck! They'd all gone to bed.

There's a cartoon about it here, scroll down a bit

http://www.aviatorwebsite.com/acatal...ing-cards.html

And the old saw "I'd like to die in my sleep like my buddy Joe did,
and not in screaming teror like his passengers"
There was a very good cartoon depicting two guys snoring away and
drooling on aredey with the caption, "Ever vigilant, the Captain
scans the overhead panel while the copilot checks the status of the
window heat with his cheek.

Thing is, we're only human and this area falls firmly into the
territory of what I was talking about before regarding vigilance.

Bertie
Great cartoon!

So true. We are after all, only human..........MOST of us that is!!
:-))


The other one I described was even better and on every bulliten board of
every airline on the planet ( except Germany and Singapore) for a
couple of years. I have it somewhere, but where I have no idea.
Bottom line is ost airines allow naps on the flight deck if the need
arises. Oin some long haul stuff they send extra crew to cover so the
sleepyhead can go to the bunk if there is one. Doing ten hours with
nothing to do but follow a pink string and chekc the fuel every hour can
put anyone to sleep!

Bertie

I noticed that myself when flying the DC8 up to Fairbanks. God it gets
boring sitting there like that. You look at the panel; look
outside...nothing there...it's 1AM :-) You check the panel again...all
as before.....you swap a few jokes with the right seat....heard um all
before.....recheck the panel.....AH HA!!! COFFEE!!! God I loved
Capital's Stews!! Of course those were the days when a stew was a STEW!!
Nowadays I don't know. Some of the stews today are so light in the
loafers they can fly without the airplane :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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From what you are saying I think you came a bit after me. I just
can't
remember if Size bought the operation from Vito or sold it to him.
You are right about Cristaldi and the T34. I've flown that T34
myself having been a check pilot in that aircraft for CAP while I
was there. Lou was also a CAP check pilot. They kept it in the Tee
Hangars way down to the left of the flight office toward the big
water tower. That was a nice T34 BTW.
I remember having a student named Jordan who owned a Cessna 170
based there. His father was an insurance guru. They lived in a
virtual palace in Villanova. :-))

Yeah, must ahve been a few yeas earlier. HiLine ust have been the
FBO's name and went with your guy. Pretty sure Vito was a partner
with Vern. He sure didn;t drive an instructors car ( you know,a 12
year old plymouth that had to be push started) He had a Chrysler
Imperial,

I nearly cry every time I see the shopping center that's replaced the
airport. Also, the "Montgomeryville Mart" behind the field is also
gone What a magical place that was! Sort of an early Wal-mart/flea
market where the hillbillies were their own bosses instead of
corporate automatons. Wonder if Ken had a stand seling mexican
jumping beans or something?
Always full of cheap and wonderful goo gaws you would never see
anywhere else. It was just north of the field. Someone landed in it
once. Someone also hit Charlie Chips one day. That was a suicide and
IIRC just before my time.
The Charlie Chips offices are now an adult book store. I think
Friendlies is now a KFC or something.
When I started there the north half of the runway was still unpaved,
but it was paved full length by the time I finished my private.
Winter ops were on the southern part of the runway only, if possible.



Bertie



Bertie

My memories of the place include climbing that damn tower to check the
beacon one winter day with the air temp in the teens. There was a
small restaurant right next to the property if you walked out to the
highway and turned right. We used to walk over there and drink all
their coffee. You're right. Those were great days.


Oh yeah, the 309 diner. It was one of those stainless steel things that
were slightly bigger than the old "railway car" type, but still only
about a dozen tables. They had great burgers. The worst thing about
Montgomeryville were the crappy T hangars. I remenber having to have
someone come over with a tractor to get the doors open on more than one
occasion.


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:


Speaking of long nights, did you catch the news the other night
about the two line pilots falling asleep and overshooting their
destination
on
one of the Hawaiian Islands? Apparently they were all coupled up
on cruise and went right through the VOR null. ATC woke them up
going outbound on the reciprocal. I missed on how far out they
got, but one things' for sure. There wasn't much in front of
them to land on and
they
were supposedly fueled up for the short haul.
Unbelievable :-)))))

Oh completely believable!
BTW, we don't use VORs anymore except to update the inertial
stuff, if even that. If we fly to a VOR it could just as well be
any other waypoint in the box for the nav value it's providing.
Spooky eh? The both guys falling asleep is enough of an issue
that they have alarms in the flight deck that go off if you don't
play with something for over 15 minutes. Best thing to do if
you're both feeling dozy is for one guy to get very uncomfortable
and the other to take a 15 minute nap. Our human factors training
even gives advice on how to power nap and my company condones the
practice. The alternative is uncontroled microsleep ( when your
head nods for a few seocnds and you wake up again abruptly) which
is completely beyond even the most determined person's control
and is very dangerous if it;'s happening on approach.


Bertie

Don't know if these guys were on the INS or something else, but I
vaguely recall somebody mentioning VOR. Could have been an early
inter island shuttle type if so. I didn't catch the type involved.
You know the press....if they missed a waypoint, that's a VOR!
Oh it could have been a VOR, the point is the Fligh tManagement
System just treats them like any other point in space. it doesn't
use them to naviaget, only to check it's position. So when we fly
to one we aren't using any direct info from the VOR.

I thnk it was an Airbus, but it's happened quite a lot over the
years. First exposure I had to it was on a DC-7. I was jumpseating
and woke up in some heavy weather to see both pilots out cold and
the FE messing around with something up front. A friend of mine was
deadheading on a ANT 124 and went up to ask the crew if they wanted
some coffee when they were mid- atlantic and there was nobody in
the flight deck! They'd all gone to bed.

There's a cartoon about it here, scroll down a bit

http://www.aviatorwebsite.com/acatal...ing-cards.html

And the old saw "I'd like to die in my sleep like my buddy Joe did,
and not in screaming teror like his passengers"
There was a very good cartoon depicting two guys snoring away and
drooling on aredey with the caption, "Ever vigilant, the Captain
scans the overhead panel while the copilot checks the status of the
window heat with his cheek.

Thing is, we're only human and this area falls firmly into the
territory of what I was talking about before regarding vigilance.

Bertie
Great cartoon!

So true. We are after all, only human..........MOST of us that is!!
:-))


The other one I described was even better and on every bulliten board
of every airline on the planet ( except Germany and Singapore) for a
couple of years. I have it somewhere, but where I have no idea.
Bottom line is ost airines allow naps on the flight deck if the need
arises. Oin some long haul stuff they send extra crew to cover so the
sleepyhead can go to the bunk if there is one. Doing ten hours with
nothing to do but follow a pink string and chekc the fuel every hour
can put anyone to sleep!

Bertie

I noticed that myself when flying the DC8 up to Fairbanks. God it gets
boring sitting there like that. You look at the panel; look
outside...nothing there...it's 1AM :-) You check the panel again...all
as before.....you swap a few jokes with the right seat....heard um all
before.....recheck the panel.....AH HA!!! COFFEE!!!


Yeah, aside from anything else, the coffee ritual occupies your
attention for a few minutes. A bit of comfort.
You're right, though. can be exruciatingly boring.
with a two crew aircraft you're never al that comfotable getting up to
stretch your legs, either, espeially if you got a new kid with you.

God I loved
Capital's Stews!! Of course those were the days when a stew was a
STEW!! Nowadays I don't know. Some of the stews today are so light in
the loafers they can fly without the airplane :-)


Oh 'I think they were always there.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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From what you are saying I think you came a bit after me. I just
can't
remember if Size bought the operation from Vito or sold it to him.
You are right about Cristaldi and the T34. I've flown that T34
myself having been a check pilot in that aircraft for CAP while I
was there. Lou was also a CAP check pilot. They kept it in the Tee
Hangars way down to the left of the flight office toward the big
water tower. That was a nice T34 BTW.
I remember having a student named Jordan who owned a Cessna 170
based there. His father was an insurance guru. They lived in a
virtual palace in Villanova. :-))
Yeah, must ahve been a few yeas earlier. HiLine ust have been the
FBO's name and went with your guy. Pretty sure Vito was a partner
with Vern. He sure didn;t drive an instructors car ( you know,a 12
year old plymouth that had to be push started) He had a Chrysler
Imperial,

I nearly cry every time I see the shopping center that's replaced the
airport. Also, the "Montgomeryville Mart" behind the field is also
gone What a magical place that was! Sort of an early Wal-mart/flea
market where the hillbillies were their own bosses instead of
corporate automatons. Wonder if Ken had a stand seling mexican
jumping beans or something?
Always full of cheap and wonderful goo gaws you would never see
anywhere else. It was just north of the field. Someone landed in it
once. Someone also hit Charlie Chips one day. That was a suicide and
IIRC just before my time.
The Charlie Chips offices are now an adult book store. I think
Friendlies is now a KFC or something.
When I started there the north half of the runway was still unpaved,
but it was paved full length by the time I finished my private.
Winter ops were on the southern part of the runway only, if possible.



Bertie



Bertie

My memories of the place include climbing that damn tower to check the
beacon one winter day with the air temp in the teens. There was a
small restaurant right next to the property if you walked out to the
highway and turned right. We used to walk over there and drink all
their coffee. You're right. Those were great days.


Oh yeah, the 309 diner. It was one of those stainless steel things that
were slightly bigger than the old "railway car" type, but still only
about a dozen tables. They had great burgers. The worst thing about
Montgomeryville were the crappy T hangars. I remenber having to have
someone come over with a tractor to get the doors open on more than one
occasion.


Bertie

That's the place! I can taste those burgers now. I smothered mine in
fried onions and laced it with Ketchup. On a good day, as I was walking
back to the flight office, if I had been wearing roller skates, I could
have given a great demonstration of Newton's Third....if you follow my
drift here :-))
I think they finally rebuilt the Tee Hangars. The one the T34 was in was
fairly new. It had a small office in it as well.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:



From what you are saying I think you came a bit after me. I just
can't
remember if Size bought the operation from Vito or sold it to him.
You are right about Cristaldi and the T34. I've flown that T34
myself having been a check pilot in that aircraft for CAP while I
was there. Lou was also a CAP check pilot. They kept it in the Tee
Hangars way down to the left of the flight office toward the big
water tower. That was a nice T34 BTW.
I remember having a student named Jordan who owned a Cessna 170
based there. His father was an insurance guru. They lived in a
virtual palace in Villanova. :-))
Yeah, must ahve been a few yeas earlier. HiLine ust have been the
FBO's name and went with your guy. Pretty sure Vito was a partner
with Vern. He sure didn;t drive an instructors car ( you know,a 12
year old plymouth that had to be push started) He had a Chrysler
Imperial,

I nearly cry every time I see the shopping center that's replaced
the
airport. Also, the "Montgomeryville Mart" behind the field is also
gone What a magical place that was! Sort of an early Wal-mart/flea
market where the hillbillies were their own bosses instead of
corporate automatons. Wonder if Ken had a stand seling mexican
jumping beans or something?
Always full of cheap and wonderful goo gaws you would never see
anywhere else. It was just north of the field. Someone landed in it
once. Someone also hit Charlie Chips one day. That was a suicide
and
IIRC just before my time.
The Charlie Chips offices are now an adult book store. I think
Friendlies is now a KFC or something.
When I started there the north half of the runway was still
unpaved,
but it was paved full length by the time I finished my private.
Winter ops were on the southern part of the runway only, if
possible.



Bertie



Bertie

My memories of the place include climbing that damn tower to check
the
beacon one winter day with the air temp in the teens. There was a
small restaurant right next to the property if you walked out to the
highway and turned right. We used to walk over there and drink all
their coffee. You're right. Those were great days.


Oh yeah, the 309 diner. It was one of those stainless steel things
that
were slightly bigger than the old "railway car" type, but still only
about a dozen tables. They had great burgers. The worst thing about
Montgomeryville were the crappy T hangars. I remenber having to have
someone come over with a tractor to get the doors open on more than
one
occasion.


Bertie

That's the place! I can taste those burgers now. I smothered mine in
fried onions and laced it with Ketchup. On a good day, as I was
walking
back to the flight office, if I had been wearing roller skates, I
could
have given a great demonstration of Newton's Third....if you follow my
drift here :-))
I think they finally rebuilt the Tee Hangars. The one the T34 was in
was
fairly new. It had a small office in it as well.


Nah, they got worse to the end, though a new row was added about 1972
and they were better. Montgomeryville died about 1978. We flew over in a
flight of three Stearmans that day. I have no idea when the airport came
to be, though.


Bertie