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Phil Miller wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:37:46 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

"Sarah Hotdesking" wrote:

:"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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: Even this would be acceptable if one could decide with certainty
: *which* edge to butter...
:
:And what butter to use ....

The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....


Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/


Phil

you'll be slating Marmite next!

"Duke of URL" macbenahATkdsiDOTnet wrote in message ...
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Peter Twydell radiated into the
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McCall writes
"Sarah Hotdesking"
wrote:
:"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
...

Even this would be acceptable if one could decide with certainty
*which* edge to butter...

And what butter to use ....

The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....

Nobody with any respect for their taste buds would even consider
using such filth.

The name is vaguely familiar - what is it?

A yeast extract. In the less developed parts of the world it can be a
poison but here such as Marmite and Vegemite are two highly developed
spreads

running with scissors wrote:

Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/


Phil

you'll be slating Marmite next!

"slating" is one of my favorite words because it has almost opposite meanings in the USA and UK

EG if a person is "slated for a performance" it has very different meanings


USA slate

Date: 15th century
1 : to cover with slate or a slatelike substance slate a roof
2 : to designate for a specified purpose or action : SCHEDULE was slated to direct the play

Uk slate

Date: 1825
1 : to thrash or pummel severely
2 chiefly British : to criticize or censure severely


personally I think marmite and be used as plaster to repair slate

Vince

AbsolutelyCertain wrote:

"Prof. Vincent Brannigan" wrote in message
...


running with scissors wrote:

Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/


Phil

you'll be slating Marmite next!

"slating" is one of my favorite words because it has almost opposite
meanings in the USA and UK

EG if a person is "slated for a performance" it has very different
meanings


USA slate

Date: 15th century
1 : to cover with slate or a slatelike substance
slate a roof
2 : to designate for a specified purpose or action :
SCHEDULE was slated to direct the play

From 1530, which is the 16th century, and not originating in or confined to
the US. We'd have to call this the commonly accepted meaning of the verb.
The root is "slate" as in "a tablet used for writing" when speaking of
"slate" to mean "designate, schedule."


Uk slate

Date: 1825
1 : to thrash or pummel severely
2 chiefly British : to criticize or censure severely

The root here is probably "slat", which is a old verb meaning "strike,
pummel".

Two different words that sound similar; homonyms. No actual significance to
the fact that they are pronounced similarly, "professor."

I'll have to start charging tuition

"sounding the same" is a homophone, whixh is probably a subset of homonyms


But there is in fact quite a debate, as this source clearly shows.

http://rogersreference.com/rrhomonyms.htm

Defining 'homonym' and 'homophone' may be as difficult as finding a Yeti!

"So . . . what is a homonym anyway?"
Have you ever noticed that it's sometimes really difficult to pin
down the definition of a word?
That's pretty common when you look at different dictionaries.
I was surprised, however, to find that the term 'homonym' also has
different definitions, depending upon which
dictionary you consult.
For example, when I look up 'homonym' in my Oxford, I find the
following definition:

Homonym: "Word of same form as another but different sense (e.g.
POLE(1), POLE(2))".

Although that says nothing about words that sound the same, well,
that seemed OK, I thought. But, what does
Webster say? Well . . . when I looked, I found something different
again:

Homonym: "a word having the same sound, or the same spelling and
sound, as another which has a
different meaning, e.g. 'bare' and 'bear'".

Well, now . . . that's not quite the same as Oxford, is it? The
Americans seem to stress the sound of the word,
whereas the English emphasize the spelling.

This was becoming more puzzling the further I got into it!

Hence, when I consulted my trusty Chambers (a good friend of 40 years
or more), I wasn't at all surprised (by
now) to find something different again:

Homonym: "a word having the same sound as another but a
different meaning and origin."

So, in this case, Chambers appears to ignore spelling altogether and
concentrate upon sound only. But perhaps,
by inference, Chambers doesn't care whether the words are spelt the
same or differently?

So, finally . . . when I looked up the MacQuarie Dictionary, I was
prepared for the worst - and I got it!:

Homonym: "a word like another in sound and sometimes in
spelling, but different in meaning, as meat and
meet.

Looks like the Australians are also trying to have it both ways, but
they're not quite sure, are they? Is Oxford
therefore all wrong? Is Webster sitting on the fence, trying to
have it both ways also?

Who is right? Or, are they all wrong?

As somebody once said, "Is a puzzlement!"

In summary, here is what the four are saying:

Oxford: Homonyms are words spelt the same way, but different
meaning;
Webster: Homonyms are words which sound the same and / or spelt
the same, but different meaning;
Chambers: Homonyms are words that sound the same, but different
meaning; and
MacQuarie: Homonyms are words that sound the same and are -
maybe - spelt the same, but with different
meaning!

Defining 'homonym' and 'homophone'
may be as difficult as finding a Yeti!

"So . . . what is a homonym anyway?"

Have you ever noticed that it's sometimes really difficult to pin
down the definition of a word?

That's pretty common when you look at different dictionaries.

I was surprised, however, to find that the term 'homonym' also has
different definitions, depending upon which
dictionary you consult.

For example, when I look up 'homonym' in my Oxford, I find the
following definition:

Homonym: "Word of same form as another but different sense (e.g.
POLE(1), POLE(2))".

Although that says nothing about words that sound the same, well,
that seemed OK, I thought. But, what does
Webster say? Well . . . when I looked, I found something different
again:

Homonym: "a word having the same sound, or the same spelling and
sound, as another which has a
different meaning, e.g. 'bare' and 'bear'".

Well, now . . . that's not quite the same as Oxford, is it? The
Americans seem to stress the sound of the word,
whereas the English emphasize the spelling.

This was becoming more puzzling the further I got into it!

Hence, when I consulted my trusty Chambers (a good friend of 40 years
or more), I wasn't at all surprised (by
now) to find something different again:

Homonym: "a word having the same sound as another but a
different meaning and origin."

So, in this case, Chambers appears to ignore spelling altogether and
concentrate upon sound only. But perhaps,
by inference, Chambers doesn't care whether the words are spelt the
same or differently?

So, finally . . . when I looked up the MacQuarie Dictionary, I was
prepared for the worst - and I got it!:

Homonym: "a word like another in sound and sometimes in
spelling, but different in meaning, as meat and
meet.

Looks like the Australians are also trying to have it both ways, but
they're not quite sure, are they? Is Oxford
therefore all wrong? Is Webster sitting on the fence, trying to
have it both ways also?

Who is right? Or, are they all wrong?

As somebody once said, "Is a puzzlement!"

In summary, here is what the four are saying:

Oxford: Homonyms are words spelt the same way, but different
meaning;
Webster: Homonyms are words which sound the same and / or spelt
the same, but different meaning;
Chambers: Homonyms are words that sound the same, but different
meaning; and
MacQuarie: Homonyms are words that sound the same and are -
maybe - spelt the same, but with different
meaning!

The only point of absolute agreement concerns "different meanings".

To make matters worse, there is the question of homophones.

Once again, there are some differences:

Oxford: Homophone - "a word having the same sound as another,
but of different meaning or origin."
Websters: Homophone - "a homonym, a letter having the same sound
as another."
Chambers: Homophone - "a word pronounced alike with another but
different in meaning."
MacQuarie: Homophone - "a word pronounced the same as another,
regardless of spelling as heir and air
."

Is there any point of absolute agreement with those four
definitions? It seems to me that the deeper I go, the
worse it gets!


End of exerpt.

So there are at least 4 variables Sound, spelling, meaning and derivation.

I.e. what does it mean to "sanction" someone

SF Mayor Uniquely Able to Sanction Gay Weddings
is it to approve? or punish?


Vince

"Prof. Vincent Brannigan" wrote:



running with scissors wrote:

Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/


Phil

you'll be slating Marmite next!

"slating" is one of my favorite words because it has almost opposite meanings in the USA and UK

EG if a person is "slated for a performance" it has very different meanings


USA slate

Date: 15th century
1 : to cover with slate or a slatelike substance slate a roof
2 : to designate for a specified purpose or action : SCHEDULE was slated to direct the play

Uk slate

Date: 1825
1 : to thrash or pummel severely
2 chiefly British : to criticize or censure severely


personally I think marmite and be used as plaster to repair slate

Vince


Similar to the very different meanings in the UK and North
America of the word 'root' as in "All the girls in the stands
were rooting for their team".

Quite legal and admirable in NA, not quite so in the UK...
--

-Gord.

In article , Duke of URL
macbenahATkdsiDOTnet@?.? writes
In ,
Peter Twydell radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
In article , Fred J.
McCall writes
"Sarah Hotdesking"
wrote:
:"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
...

Even this would be acceptable if one could decide with certainty
*which* edge to butter...

And what butter to use ....

The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....

Nobody with any respect for their taste buds would even consider
using such filth.

The name is vaguely familiar - what is it?
--
From the one-and-only Holy Moses®


It's a yeast extract. The UK variant is Marmite, and is a delicious
accompaniment to buttered toast (see how we stay very nearly on topic?)
and is marvellous spread thinly on good strong Cheddar cheese (I kid you
not). Vegemite, OTOH, is a vile Antipodean ******* offspring that
resembles the stuff you have to scrape off your shoe.


Actually, Marmite is one of those things that divide the world in two.
You either love it or hate it.
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Vince Brannigan wrote in message . ..
Phil Miller wrote:



The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....



Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/

Be careful I once made the same comparison and got a stern letter
demanding a retraction from the axle grease's lawyer



The difference is the smell, axle grease smells like something died
about 63 billion years ago, vegemite smells like something died about
an hour ago.

In ,
Peter Twydell radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
In article , Duke of URL
macbenahATkdsiDOTnet@?.? writes
In ,
Peter Twydell radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
In article , Fred J.
McCall writes
"Sarah Hotdesking"
wrote:
:"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
...

Even this would be acceptable if one could decide with
certainty *which* edge to butter...

And what butter to use ....

The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....

Nobody with any respect for their taste buds would even consider
using such filth.

The name is vaguely familiar - what is it?

It's a yeast extract. The UK variant is Marmite, and is a delicious
accompaniment to buttered toast (see how we stay very nearly on
topic?) and is marvellous spread thinly on good strong Cheddar
cheese (I kid you not). Vegemite, OTOH, is a vile Antipodean
******* offspring that resembles the stuff you have to scrape off
your shoe.
Actually, Marmite is one of those things that divide the world in
two. You either love it or hate it.

Yes, well, since I scrape mold *off* when it appears on my cheese, I
think I'll pass on this Marmot-yeast stuff. Thanks for the info.
--
From the one-and-only Holy Moses®

AbsolutelyCertain wrote:


So there are at least 4 variables Sound, spelling, meaning and derivation.

I.e. what does it mean to "sanction" someone

SF Mayor Uniquely Able to Sanction Gay Weddings
is it to approve? or punish?


Quite a bit of information there.

Context wise, I'd say he approves of them. As I do.


And you would be correct in the traditional use of the word

Ill quit, even I get hazy from the hazing

Vince

Jack Linthicum wrote:

Vince Brannigan wrote in message . ..

Phil Miller wrote:



The real question is whether vegemite acts like butter in this
regard....



Vegemite not only looks and tastes like axle grease, it has the
viscosity of axle grease. Hmmmm...?

http://www.vegemite.com.au/

Be careful I once made the same comparison and got a stern letter
demanding a retraction from the axle grease's lawyer




The difference is the smell, axle grease smells like something died
about 63 billion years ago, vegemite smells like something died about
an hour ago.

yes, but from something very nasty

Vince