Yep - 9-11 attacks predicted in 1994

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:38:53 GMT, "copertopkiller"
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"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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Seems someone needs to look at a map. America is one big place. The
best I
can gather from the 9/11 commission hearings is that there were vague
warnings that an attack MIGHT happen SOMEWHERE in the USA SOMETIME,
SOMEHOW,
SOMEWAY, by SOMEBODY.

-*MORT*-

Seems you are another moron who thinks the exact target, day and time
needs
to be known before measures can be taken.

And what measures should have been taken, Bryan?


He has no idea.. but it should have been something! Damnit!

Do some research before offering your input.


But how much ya wana bet that he gets all tense and turns red
because of the new rules put in place to attempt to stop the
next attack.

Make bets if you'd like, you already have shown your ignorance.

And would have been just jumping up and down
if Bush would have tried to pass the patriot act before 9/11..
I would also bet that if Bush would have suggested that the FBI
and the CIA gather files, and collaborate on anti American activities
of Islamic groups that have made threats , he would have blown
out a heart valve... before 9/11....

I gather you think all these things were necessary "before 9/11". Your
simply a foolish lamb who hasn't a clue of the situation.

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Yes something could have been done.. But what would have been your
position
before 9/11 if you heard on the News that there was a non specific threat
so we were placing armed troops in airports and transportation centers and
allowing the FBI to exchange files on people with the CIA and other
agencies
of the government and allowing air and wire taps of nation wide
communications.

My your argument is feeble. Asking what I could have done as a citizen from
information gathered on the news is laughable. Furthermore, if I was privy
to the Intel that was being received now claimed to not be actionable I
would have taken serious measures. This is the opposite from the Boosh and
his PNAC Booshies.

You cannot argue this. Everyone of the Booshies have spoke about policy
being formed or modified to be comprehensive or tweeked to be just that. The
fact is that these policy's had or have nothing to do with preventing an
attack on the homeland. They were not strategic plans to thwart an attack.

Along with placing a couple hundred armed attack aircraft and various AA
batteries
around the country and maybe in your neighborhood... You would be
required to
have your shoes searched and your flights delayed because the airports
were going
to search your stuff using security people.

Can you explain why then with armed AC and AA bateries available none where
successful or used at all? Hell, there was even more armed AC that specific
day. Coincidently two government exercises where being held this day. One a
joint venture between the CIA and NRO and the other a semi-annual excercise
by NORAD.



If you fly you would expect a major
cost increase to provide for replacing doors and your pilots are to allow
a
hijacker to kill you instead of doing as the hijackers demand.

Oh well the cost of flying goes up, just like taxes. A terrorist could slit
my throat in Anywhere, USA to attempt to get demands met. But we know from
the latest actions in Iraq, that taking hostages with the threat of killing
them or even doing so doesn't get demands met. They stopped meeting demands
by these types for quite awhile now.


I think your views on the actions taken since 9/11 to prevent the next
attack
are an indication as to what they would have been before 9/11

Bet the house!

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You are pointing out the way the left have approached this since
the beginning... Not one of the lefts talking heads I have heard have
put forth a even semi lucid plan that would have prevented 9/11
or a plan to prevent the next 9/11.. or to stop any of the groups
aligned against us.. But they yell and scream that the plan we
are following is Bad, bad, bad....
Its the " I don't know what to do but DamNit! do sumthin!!! and do it
Fast! Don't wait to figure out if it does more harm than good...." kinda
mind set that annoys the hell outa me....

The lunatic left has the taken the simultaneous positions that B.J.
Clinton
made terrorism this top priority, while he virtually ignored it; that
George W. Bush should have prevented Nine Eleven, and that Bush has done
too
much in reaction to the events of Nine Eleven. The lunatic left can no
more see straight that Ted Kennedy can see his own belt buckle with the
benefit of a mirror.

David

Your left right pro-wrestling match is irrelevant.

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"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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Seems someone needs to look at a map. America is one big place. The best

I

can gather from the 9/11 commission hearings is that there were vague
warnings that an attack MIGHT happen SOMEWHERE in the USA SOMETIME,

SOMEHOW,


SOMEWAY, by SOMEBODY.

-*MORT*-


Seems you are another moron who thinks the exact target, day and time

needs

to be known before measures can be taken.

In most cases, to stop a specific attack that is correct.


Lets forget about most cases and stay specific of this attack, Mort.

I'm not Mort, but I am the one you replied to.


Do you
still think nothing could have been done (as you've been told), no measures
could have been taken to thwart this style of attack?

I would like to ask you just exactly would you have done if you had been
president. Where would you have placed your troops? Where would you
have focused? What cities or buildings would you have tried to protect?
How would you have known? And where do you get your resources from?


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"copertopkiller" wrote in a message


Lets forget about most cases and stay specific of this attack, Mort. Do

you

still think nothing could have been done (as you've been told), no

measures

could have been taken to thwart this style of attack?


Sure.

We could have arrested all the terrorists in the U.S.

We didn't know where they were.


and thwarted the
attack on 9/11 (in which case they'd have activated sleeper cells or sent
others in through Canada or Mexico and 9/11 would have happened on 10/12
instead)

We could have grounded all flights that day (so we'd remember 9/12 or 9/13
instead)

If we assumed that 9/11 *was* the day. We didn't. So how long would
you ground commercial flights for? A day, a month, a year? Even if
you assume we knew that it was going to be aircraft, why did we think it
had to be commercial aircraft? Remember all the pieces hadn't been put
together prior to 9/11.

Anything you can think of would *delay* the attacks on 9/11... but how would
you *stop* them?

I agree. I don't know too many folks can blame the government for not
stopping those particular attacks. We can blame the government for lack
of intelligence sharing, lack of cooperation amongst agencies, and for
no overall or central oversight. Those are recommendations and fixes
that should come out of this committee. How do we prevent these attacks
in the future?


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http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."

"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell

copertopkiller wrote:

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Lets forget about most cases and stay specific of this attack, Mort. Do

you

still think nothing could have been done (as you've been told), no

measures

could have been taken to thwart this style of attack?

Sure.

We could have arrested all the terrorists in the U.S. and thwarted the
attack on 9/11 (in which case they'd have activated sleeper cells or sent
others in through Canada or Mexico and 9/11 would have happened on 10/12
instead)


Pshycic?

We could have grounded all flights that day (so we'd remember 9/12 or 9/13
instead)

Anything you can think of would *delay* the attacks on 9/11... but how

would

you *stop* them?


1) Pat attention to the warnings of AC Highjackings AND Highjacked AC as
weapons into American Targets.

What warnings? Yes, there were AQ members 'learning' to fly but not to
land or take off. We had no specific targets or dates, so any action to
have been taken would have been of a very general nature.

2) Brief FAA Officials of these non-actionable (cough) warnings and tell
them to not to scratch their heads at:

a) the first sign of trouble

Most didn't, since the first sign of trouble was at the time of the
hijackings.

b) when it is know to be highjacked

Excuse me, but until 9/11, the paradyme for hijacking was not to
interfere and obey what the hijackers were telling you to do. Until
9/11, hijacking was used as a method of simply flying somewhere that was
not on the the flight plan. Usually, the flight crew and passengers
were released or ended up unharmed. 9/11 changed that.

only to talk amongst themselves. Instead, clarify that they are to expedite
FAA Procedures of intercept then contact The President. If the errant,
Highjacked AC would not follow intercept orders a decision could be made to
take more drastic measures. It isn't that difficult.

Nope,. but you have to have planes in the air. You can't really shoot a
missile at it (a new idea after 9/11) over a city and you don't know
until it occurs, just what city.



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"The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to
impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves."

"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making
decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who
pay no price for being wrong" Author Thomas Sowell

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copertopkiller wrote:

"RD (The Sandman)" wrote in message
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copertopkiller wrote:


"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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Seems someone needs to look at a map. America is one big place. The
best

I

can gather from the 9/11 commission hearings is that there were vague
warnings that an attack MIGHT happen SOMEWHERE in the USA SOMETIME,

SOMEHOW,


SOMEWAY, by SOMEBODY.

-*MORT*-


Seems you are another moron who thinks the exact target, day and time

needs

to be known before measures can be taken.

In most cases, to stop a specific attack that is correct.


Lets forget about most cases and stay specific of this attack, Mort.

I'm not Mort, but I am the one you replied to.

OK then, this is the place where you stay specific of this attack. Are you
another moron who thinks the exact target, day and time need to be known for
measures to be taken?



Do you
still think nothing could have been done (as you've been told), no
measures
could have been taken to thwart this style of attack?

I would like to ask you just exactly would you have done if you had been
president. Where would you have placed your troops? Where would you
have focused? What cities or buildings would you have tried to protect?
How would you have known? And where do you get your resources from?

How do you not answer the question? Do you still think nothing could have
been done (as you've been told), no measures could have been taken to thwart
this style of attack?


I'm sure my reply to your response will answer the questions that you asked
inplace of responding to the question. Wow!

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"copertopkiller" wrote in a message


Lets forget about most cases and stay specific of this attack, Mort. Do

you

still think nothing could have been done (as you've been told), no

measures

could have been taken to thwart this style of attack?

Sure.

We could have arrested all the terrorists in the U.S. and thwarted the
attack on 9/11 (in which case they'd have activated sleeper cells or
sent
others in through Canada or Mexico and 9/11 would have happened on 10/12
instead)


Pshycic?

We could have grounded all flights that day (so we'd remember 9/12 or
9/13
instead)

Anything you can think of would *delay* the attacks on 9/11... but how

would

you *stop* them?


1) Pat attention to the warnings of AC Highjackings AND Highjacked AC as
weapons into American Targets.

What warnings? Yes, there were AQ members 'learning' to fly but not to
land or take off. We had no specific targets or dates, so any action to
have been taken would have been of a very general nature.

What warnings? I can see you are either a moron or a shill. In either case
get yourself together. How many times will you trumpet that retarded
statement of 'we had no specific targets or dates..." as an excuse for NO
ACTION being taken?

An example for your "what warnings?" statement. One of many if you cared to
be informed. NOTE: it ain't on dat dare TeeeVeee

David Schippers, noted conservative Chicago lawyer and the House Judiciary
Committee's chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial, claims two
days after 9/11 that he had tried to warn federal authorities about plans to
strike buildings in lower Manhattan. Schippers says, "I was trying to get
people to listen to me because I had heard that the terrorists had set up a
three-pronged attack:" an American airplane, the bombing of a federal
building in the heartland and a massive attack in lower Manhattan. He tries
contacting Attorney General John Ashcroft, the White House, and even the
House managers with whom he had worked, but nobody returns his phone calls.
"People thought I was crazy. What I was doing was I was calling everybody I
knew telling them that this has happened," he says. "I'm telling you the
more I see of the stuff that's coming out, if the FBI had even been awake
they would have seen it." He also claims to know of ignored warnings about
the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and evidence that Middle Easterners were
connected with that attack. [Indianapolis Star, 5/18/02] Other mainstream
sources have apparently shied away from Schippers' story, but he has added
details in an interview on the partisan Alex Jones Show. He claims that it
is FBI agents in Chicago and Minnesota who first contact him and tell him
that a terrorist attack is going to occur in lower Manhattan. A group of
these agents now want to testify about what they know, but want legal
protection from government retribution. [Alex Jones Show 10/10/01]




2) Brief FAA Officials of these non-actionable (cough) warnings and tell
them to not to scratch their heads at:

a) the first sign of trouble
b) when it is know to be highjacked

only to talk amongst themselves. Instead, clarify that they are to
expedite
FAA Procedures of intercept then contact The President. If the errant,
Highjacked AC would not follow intercept orders a decision could be made
to
take more drastic measures. It isn't that difficult.


Most didn't, since the first sign of trouble was at the time of the
hijackings.

Most didn't? Most didn't what, moron? If you're going to try and convince
yourself that you are in reality you will need to put up a better argument.



Excuse me, but until 9/11, the paradyme for hijacking was not to
interfere and obey what the hijackers were telling you to do. Until
9/11, hijacking was used as a method of simply flying somewhere that was
not on the the flight plan. Usually, the flight crew and passengers
were released or ended up unharmed. 9/11 changed that.

Can you cite one FAA procedure that specifically states this? No, you can't
because there is no such document. There are however quite a few procedures
that call for intercepts on errant, nordo, unidentified AC doing what they
will and other "emergency" situations that undoubtedly cover HJ's. None of
which were carried out expeditiously and was the opposite in fact.
Furthermore, you'd be wrong. The G8 Summit just prior was not to let HJ'ed
AC do as they will.



Nope,. but you have to have planes in the air. You can't really shoot a
missile at it (a new idea after 9/11) over a city and you don't know
until it occurs, just what city.

Huh! And you are claiming that these alert birds and HJ AC just appear where
they are in position to crash into their target or in the case of intercepts
where the highjacked AC are going to attack?

You know how foolish you are sounding? Highjacked over Northern Mass and
then in a blink of an eye, like a UFO, appear crashing into its target in
NYC with no chance to attempt to turn it away from the metropolis and
downing it as a last resort for not following intercepted procedures. Yes as
a last resort, before it came close enough to inflict horrific damage and
casualties in NYC. An intercept is air superiority.

Now this applies to all the AC that day especially FL 77.
snicker

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:22:26 GMT, "copertopkiller"
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And what measures should have been taken, Bryan?

I know you have selective memory. Do try to refresh your recollection.

To the best of my recollection, you've never answered the question,
Bryan.

snicker

Loosen the flag around your head some. Now do you remember?

Hint: it has to do with FAA Regulations and NORAD

If you've answered it before, then you should have no trouble doing so
again. But since you never answered it, except for sputtering that
"they" should have done something, you can't.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:47:03 GMT, "copertopkiller"
wrote:


Said the moron who thinks the exact target, day and time needs to be known
before measures can be taken. And lets be very clear about this. No measures
where taken. I don't care if Dick Clarkes Policy's weren't implemented. It
doesn't matter if Condi said that they were working on a strategy to hit AL
Queda. These are two different things. What did your government do, the
Booshies, what did they do to defend America on 9/11

And what exactly should they have done, Bryan? Shoot down the
airliners? Wasn't that one of the answers you gave before?