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In rec.aviation.owning Matt Barrow wrote:
wrote in message ... In rec.aviation.owning Matt Barrow wrote: snip I check weather etc. elsewhere than finish with DUATS for a scan of NOTAMS and PIREPS and to get my official square checked. It may be up to the second and the most thorough but it's isn't "Official" as far as I know (hanger lawyers, what say??). DUATS has been an official briefing for a few years now. Could you prove that you did anything more than just scan the data on the screen? No more than you can prove you were listening when you called FS. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
newsY2le.1$Fb.0@trndny07... From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. [...] Well, first of all, I'm not ready to consider Wikipedia a "real" encyclopedia. Lots of people love it, and I don't doubt that there's a lot of good information in there. But if I wanted to "prove" a point, all I'd have to do is go write a new topic or edit an existing one, and then quote it. For that matter, even a "real" encyclopedia is somewhat of a weak reference. But IMHO what matters here are the actual laws and court precedents. That said, the text you quoted simply reinforces my understanding that the concept of "felony murder" is applicable only in relatively narrow situations, that it's not even used held in all jurisdictions, and that where used, there is considerable disagreement as to how to apply it. It certainly seems FAR from a foregone conclusion that it makes sense to charge the pilots themselves with the endangerment of others. Pete |
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So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks,
dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again. Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into the glades because of a lightbulb??? "A.Coleman" wrote in message . .. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&sn=018&sc=478 AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot - Monday, May 23, 2005 (05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11, forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court. Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's restricted airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation. The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he "constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce." The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who was also in the plane. "This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin. The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it. The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of flight time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S. Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it. Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions. ___ On the Net: Federal Aviation Administration: www.faa.gov URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...a121517D16.DTL ©2005 Associated Press |
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"Franklin Newton" wrote in message .net... So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks, dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again. Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into the glades because of a lightbulb??? Apples and oranges. Not taking basic skills along for the ride was a basic mistake. Stuffing a L1011 was the usual accident chain of events, failing to be broken, at a million opportunities. Not dumb. Unfortunate. -- Jim in NC |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... "Franklin Newton" wrote in message .net... So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks, dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again. Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into the glades because of a lightbulb??? Apples and oranges. Not taking basic skills along for the ride was a basic mistake. Stuffing a L1011 was the usual accident chain of events, failing to be broken, at a million opportunities. Not dumb. Unfortunate. -- Jim in NC Absolutley the same. Fly the airplane, Fly the airplane, Fly the airplane, the first and most important basic skill to bring along, otherwise you may not need the rest! |
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Franklin Newton wrote:
So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks, dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again. Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into the glades because of a lightbulb??? Yep. We *really* don't want to see what he could accomplish with an L1011. George Patterson "Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got no clothes on - and are up to somethin'. |
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wrote in message ... In rec.aviation.owning Matt Barrow wrote: wrote in message ... In rec.aviation.owning Matt Barrow wrote: snip I check weather etc. elsewhere than finish with DUATS for a scan of NOTAMS and PIREPS and to get my official square checked. It may be up to the second and the most thorough but it's isn't "Official" as far as I know (hanger lawyers, what say??). DUATS has been an official briefing for a few years now. Site? Could you prove that you did anything more than just scan the data on the screen? No more than you can prove you were listening when you called FS. Which is why I print everything. |
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"Franklin Newton" wrote in message .net... So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks, dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again. Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into the glades because of a lightbulb??? Non-sequitur. |
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"Franklin Newton" wrote in message k.net... "Morgans" wrote in message Absolutley the same. Fly the airplane, Fly the airplane, Fly the airplane, the first and most important basic skill to bring along, otherwise you may not need the rest! Your apparent ingnorance about the 1011 flight is appalling. |
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message news:1117036890.671631@sj-nntpcache-5... Matt Barrow wrote: I'd rather have the actual DOCUMENTS than just a log that said I did in fact call for a briefing. And yes, I can print from DUATS, but until recently (IIRC) all you could do was screen dumps. I don't know when they changed, but I remember when all you could do was accesss them from a dumb terminal and printing was impossible. If you access the raw text service with telnet, and use any of the modern terminal emulators, you can easily get a text file that you can browse with your favorite text editor, print, run post-processing filters, etc... Whoopie do!! If I had a Model-T Ford, I could hand crank the engine! :~) |
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