This is killing me!!!

Jay,

My wife and I just spent three nights at a Hilton in Lake Placid, NY
(boy do I wish I'd flown up but that's a different story). We left a
$10.00 tip for the maids. Is that enough? Do many people leave tips
for your staff? What is an appropriate tip?

I guess I'm more inclined to tip when in doubt. Trying to justify not
tipping seems cheap.

Dave
68 7ECA

My wife and I just spent three nights at a Hilton in Lake Placid, NY
(boy do I wish I'd flown up but that's a different story). We left a

$10.00 tip for the maids. Is that enough? Do many people leave
tips
for your staff? What is an appropriate tip?

That's plenty. Most people still do not tip housekeepers. (The ones
who do tend to tip very well...)

With our full kitchens -- and full-sized refrigerators -- a surprising
number of people leave them beer and wine, however! (For which they
are forever grateful... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

We were on a bus trip with our ski club so we had to take the booze for
the ride home

Dave
68 7ECA

Jay Honeck wrote:
My wife and I just spent three nights at a Hilton in Lake Placid, NY
(boy do I wish I'd flown up but that's a different story). We left a


$10.00 tip for the maids. Is that enough? Do many people leave

tips

for your staff? What is an appropriate tip?


That's plenty. Most people still do not tip housekeepers. (The ones
who do tend to tip very well...)

With our full kitchens -- and full-sized refrigerators -- a surprising
number of people leave them beer and wine, however! (For which they
are forever grateful... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Gig Giacona wrote:

"Jeff Shirton" wrote in message
news
"Trent Moorehead" wrote in message
...

And here's another good argument against tipping.
Tipping is income "under the table", and avoids
income tax.

Better for the employer to pay it, and everything
be above board. More honest that way, and no
problems with defrauding the government.



No statement for or against tipping and I don't deny that all of tips aren't
reported but a significant percentage is.



IIRC, the IRS has developed standard estimates of how much 'tip'
income people in different jobs typically get. If you don't report
something in the ballpark, you'd better have plenty of documentation.
(Of course, this was several years ago so my memory may be fuzzy.)

Rich Lemert

To whom are you refering? The waiter or the UAW worker? I'd say the
waiter is working much, much harder.

That's exactly what I meant.

Waiting tables is very difficult to do well. But for those that master the
art, they make a LOT of money, especially at higher-end restaurants.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Morgans wrote:


"Jeff Shirton" wrote

And that's the *problem*.

This all boils down to a "cultural thing".

In the US, tips for waiters are the norm. In other places, it is not. Do
whatever is the custom in the area you are in.

In Europe, I had some of the worst service I have ever had in a
restaurant.
Tipping was not the custom, in that country. There was no incentive to do
a great job, IMHO.

I like it when you get to vote on the service you get, with your wallet.
It
makes me feel better, when the service is poor. When the service stinks
where there is no tipping, you live with it, and you leave. Period.

It seems to me the "cultural" part pertains more to the "culture" of the
restaurant than of the locale.

I get good service in most places, whether they are in Europe or here. I get
more bad service here in the US, but it seems more related to the people
involved and how the establishment is run than whether or not tips are
involved.

I will say that regardless of quality of service, politeness, as measured by
the use of the phrase "thank you", is much better in Europe. It's getting
to the point where I am now surprised when I hear it here in the US.

--
Frank....H

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:05:20 GMT, "Allen"
wrote:



Thank you Jay, it appears you and I have the same take on this. For the
previous poster that said he knows of restaurants that charges waiters to
work for them, well, that's just nuts. (Hey, maybe if I pay the Dallas
Cowboys enough they will let me fly them in their jet).

There was a news story not too long ago.. (last couple of years) about
some resteurants that charged the waiters and waitresses to work
there. They got to keep all of their tips and were making more than
I did as an experienced project manager.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Allen

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:13:18 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4GBLd.40582$EG1.32583@attbi_s53...
$5.15 /hour. A typical dinner out for my wife and I costs about $50.00.
If
the server does a good job I tip him $10.00. If he waits on no other
tables
during that hour he makes $15.15. If he has other tables then who knows
what he makes. That includes the U. S. government for tax purposes.

$15.15 per hour for an entry-level job is fabulous. Our house-keepers
make $7.75 to start. Our desk staff earns $8.00.

Now let's assume that this waiter works another few tables at the same
time. Suddenly he's making more per hour than a UAW line-worker in
Detroit.


He or She would need more than just a few tables to equal UAW wages.

Depends on the restaurant.

Which might explain much in terms of the history of the US auto industry.
But that is a rant for another time and place. (Caveat: I approach this
subject from the POV of someone who grew up in a "white collar" GM family.)

I worked the assembly line many, many, many years ago right out of
high school. Then a good job came along, and after 26 years of that I
quit and went back to college to get a degree.

Much depends on the job, the line, the plant... etc.



Of course, arguably he's doing a much harder job, but that's another
topic.


To whom are you refering? The waiter or the UAW worker? I'd say the waiter
is working much, much harder.

In most cases I'd agree, but an assembly line at a metal stamping
plant is something else on a hot summer day. (or night)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

My wife and I was there last June for a three day week-end and they treated
us very nice. Sure we had to pay for 2 nights tiedown, the thrid one was
free because we bought fuel. If I remember right it was around 2.65/gal,
really not a big deal. Also when they park the plane they put a pad lock on
the tie-down chain. What disappointed me was the hotel would not pick us
up there, we had to be at the main terminal across the field in order to get
picked up, so we just got a taxi. This year we have picked a different
hotel. All part of the cost of flying and it is worth it, what a beautiful
flight and such a good time at the Reno EuroFest at the Rail City, which is
not where we stayed. Some really good German beer, even made me get out and
dance, did I mention the good looking lady"s.
Clyde

"mindenpilot" wrote in message
...
Sorry for the rant.
I just flew into Reno tonight.
As it turns out, Sierra Air Center, the only GA facility on the ramp that
doesn't charge a ramp fee, now charges a $15 parking fee.
Yup, as of Jan 1 there's no more free landing at Reno.
What makes it worse is they said, "There's no fee if you get 15 gallons of
fuel".
That sounded OK to me. I was almost full anyway.
18 gallons of fuel at $3.73 a gallon!
It would have been cheaper if I filled up in Minden and paid the $15
parking
fee.
It's only $2.80/gal in Minden!
I felt violated!

Man, I'm bummed.
I liked to fly into Reno, get some lunch/dinner, practice in class C, etc.
No more.

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:51:53 -0800, clyde woempner wrote:

My wife and I was there last June for a three day week-end (....)
^^^^^^^
(...)
(..), did I mention the good looking lady"s.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you sure had a good time ... :-)

Clyde

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