Your free AvGas fillup at Dodge Center MN (TOB) July Sunday 31, AM

"John" wrote in message ...
abripl wrote:

Hi,

Just returned from Oshkosh home to Pierre SD. I filled up at Dodge
Center MN this AM and not being familiar with the self serve gas
fillup, I did not hang up the pump handle properly. Somebody after me
continued pumping another $150 on my credit card ($200 instead of about
$50). My experimental only holds 35 gal bone dry. If it was you that
accidentally filled up that morning after me and don't see
corresponding "HARTLAND FUEL PRODUCTS - DODGE CENTER" credit card
charges on your card please contact me. Paul at 605-224-0660

Now that's been a few days, has the charge amount POSTED to your credit
card account? Is it an even number like $200 or is it a more realistic
number like $197.34 ?

Question is: How did he know, as soon as he did (a matter of hours), that
someone pumped gas on his card?

Now you're coming off as the whiney one. Birds of a feather with the
OP?

Well, we may both be whining, but we're certainly seeing the issue from
different ends of the telescope.

I'm whining? I adhere to contracts and absorb my losses and don't
advertise
them AND I'M WHINING?

No, I didn't say you were whining -- you're bitching. There's a difference.

It's me and the *other* poster you were referring to that are whining. Keep
up, will ya?

:-)

A adult would say what happened and ask "What should I do? Should I call
the
CC company? Talk to the FBO?"

Jay, where are your great "conservative values"? :~)

You're not following this thread well, Matt. I'm not advocating that the OP
do ANYTHING but suck it up and pay the bill. I *am* saying that if he calls
the CC company, and gets the charge reversed, they WILL charge back the
completely innocent FBO. That's the way they do things, and the FBO will be
totally screwed.

I, on the other hand, am speaking from experience with dishonest card
holders who dispute legitimate charges, and are backed up by their
criminally complicit credit card companies.

Geez, listen to yourself. What does that tangent have to do with his case.

Because I know what I'm talking about. If he reports this as a fraudulent
charge, the perpetrator will NOT be the one hurt. Rather, the FBO will be
charged back, and harmed for doing nothing but offering gasoline service to
his customers. THAT is a travesty, but that is the way CC companies do
business.

And the FBO will be completely powerless to dispute the chargeback.

Bottom line: CC companies NEVER lose.

They not supposed to lose, they're third parties to the transaction.

If they're that bad, why not stop accepting CC's?

I have already thrown American Express out of the hotel, but that was pretty
easy, since they are such a marginal card. I would happily throw the others
out in a heartbeat, if I could do so without committing financial suicide.

Unfortunately, our revenue is 10 to 1 credit/debit cards versus cash, so
they've got me -- and millions of honest vendors like me -- over a
barbed-wire barrel...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Matt Barrow wrote:

"John" wrote in message ...
abripl wrote:

Hi,

Just returned from Oshkosh home to Pierre SD. I filled up at Dodge
Center MN this AM and not being familiar with the self serve gas
fillup, I did not hang up the pump handle properly. Somebody after me
continued pumping another $150 on my credit card ($200 instead of about
$50). My experimental only holds 35 gal bone dry. If it was you that
accidentally filled up that morning after me and don't see
corresponding "HARTLAND FUEL PRODUCTS - DODGE CENTER" credit card
charges on your card please contact me. Paul at 605-224-0660

Now that's been a few days, has the charge amount POSTED to your credit
card account? Is it an even number like $200 or is it a more realistic
number like $197.34 ?

Question is: How did he know, as soon as he did (a matter of hours), that
someone pumped gas on his card?

As Ted wrote in another post, the OP probably checked his account online or
even via telephone. MBNA credit cards (such as AOPA credit card) even show
authorizations in real time so it would show online immediately after the
transaction. Some transactions (like hotel rooms, rental cars, and gas
purchases) authorize a higher amount off the bat then will eventually be
posted, so that's why I asked my questions. You only pay what actually POSTS,
which might vary from what can be authorized. So it is possible the OP wasn't
actually charged anything higher than what he expected at the time of purchase.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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SNIP
Unfortunately, our revenue is 10 to 1 credit/debit cards versus cash, so
they've got me -- and millions of honest vendors like me -- over a
barbed-wire barrel...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Jay H,

Just curious but why do you lump Debit Cards with Credit Cards...

Aren't Debit Cards considered more like cash (or at least a check) since
your account is immediately tapped for the amount? Is there some evil
lurking in the background of Debit Cards of which most people are not aware?

Just asking since I'm not a merchant/vendor of any kind...

Jay B

"Matt Barrow" wrote in news:43gIe.125
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in
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Sounds more like childish playground bullying to me.

That's a leap!

Perhaps you would have preferred he said something like,

"Hey, whoever the ******* is that stole gas using my credit
card, I'm gonna ****ing hunt you down and beat the livin'
**** outta you till you give me my money back!" hmmm?


Go from a leap to a non-sequitur.

With all the self-righteous testosterone laden ego's around
here I'm beginning to wonder if Skylune doesn't have a point.
If this is the way GA pilots behave I'll have to rethink my
ambitions of becoming one.

If you can't think and plan (or handle a gas pump) and respond to a minor
crisis and better than the OP, you better not.

My skill's are not the issue.

I don't want to be associated with a group of people who feel the
need to grind other poeple into the ground just to make themselves
feel better.

I don't need your "my dick is bigger than your dick" attitude.

PLONK!

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism

Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Blog: http://www.skywise711.com/Blog

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

Just curious but why do you lump Debit Cards with Credit Cards...

Although the danger of charge-back with a debit card is not there (presuming
that we ran it properly) the per-usage fees to the vendor (me!) are four or
five times higher. That adds up in a hurry.

Vendors get charged a monthly fee and a per-usage fee for accepting credit
cards, on several levels. The bank gets their cut, VISA/MC gets their
cut -- and their percentage varies with a bewildering series of credit/debit
card types.

An Asian guest, for example, using his Visa card from Japan, may cost me ten
times what it costs me to run YOUR credit card. The fees are all automatic,
without explanation (unless you have the secret decoder ring), and add up in
a hurry.

Why? Because VISA/MC can get away with it. For some reason, accepting a
foreigner's VISA card is considered a bigger risk, so they charge ME more.

And you'd be astounded -- no, scared -- to know how many people's credit
cards come back "declined" on a preauthorization of less than $100. There
are millions of people out there running around with their credit cards
maxed out, living on the ragged edge of bankruptcy.

And it's not always people you'd expect. We're talking doctors, lawyers --
you name it. It's amazing, and sad.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

And you'd be astounded -- no, scared -- to know how many people's credit
cards come back "declined" on a preauthorization of less than $100. There
are millions of people out there running around with their credit cards
maxed out, living on the ragged edge of bankruptcy.

There could be any number of reasons for a decline, Jay. You, as a
merchant, are not privy to the reason for the decline.

As a business traveler, I once had a rental car agency accidentally
authorize my card for $25,000, instead of $250. and the credit card company
(Amex) would not authorize any additional charges until they had either a)
the legitimate charge come through, or b) an explanation for the this
incredibly high authorization request. This was brought to my attention by
a "decline" at a hotel merchant.

A decline also occurs when a consumer receives a new card with a new
expiration date, and activates this card but forgets to put the new one in
his wallet. Lived that one, too.

For you to make that wild-assed assumption about millions of people based
on eight little letters (or the equivalent numeric code).... sheesh.

--
Peter

What no one has broached here is how to CYA on future automagic gas purchases.

Do these pumps issue a printed receipt?

Is there some test you can run to be sure it's stopped charging you? (Such
as trying to pump again, and getting prompted for the CCard?)

Can you get your credit card programmed to have a transaction dollar limit?

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

"John" wrote in message ...


Matt Barrow wrote:

Just returned from Oshkosh home to Pierre SD. I filled up at Dodge
Center MN this AM and not being familiar with the self serve gas
fillup, I did not hang up the pump handle properly. Somebody after
me
continued pumping another $150 on my credit card ($200 instead of
about
$50). My experimental only holds 35 gal bone dry. If it was you that
accidentally filled up that morning after me and don't see
corresponding "HARTLAND FUEL PRODUCTS - DODGE CENTER" credit card
charges on your card please contact me. Paul at 605-224-0660

Now that's been a few days, has the charge amount POSTED to your
credit
card account? Is it an even number like $200 or is it a more realistic
number like $197.34 ?

Question is: How did he know, as soon as he did (a matter of hours),
that
someone pumped gas on his card?

As Ted wrote in another post, the OP probably checked his account online
or
even via telephone. MBNA credit cards (such as AOPA credit card) even
show
authorizations in real time so it would show online immediately after the
transaction. Some transactions (like hotel rooms, rental cars, and gas
purchases) authorize a higher amount off the bat then will eventually be
posted, so that's why I asked my questions. You only pay what actually
POSTS,
which might vary from what can be authorized. So it is possible the OP
wasn't
actually charged anything higher than what he expected at the time of
purchase.

That'd work. So are you saying the $200 is the AUTHORIZATION amount, not the
TRANSACTION amount? I've seen delays on those of up to a day or two. I
suspect that an FBO that has a full time connection would have better timing
on the data than one whose system has to do a modem dialup and then batch
transactions at end of day/overnight.

Matt Barrow wrote:

Jay, where are your great "conservative values"? :~)

I sure am glad we have an enforcer here to keep everyone ideologically
in line.