Why does airspeed change when I adjust the prop?

The really amazing part is that he openly admitted that he is trolling.

No, considering the treatment he has gotten, I'm not surprised at all.
If everyone would be happy that everyone else is simply making their own
decisions, all would be ok. But people want to tell others what to do.

That's where it comes apart.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Peter Dohm" wrote in news:i4Yrh.4800$FL5.1931
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

The really amazing part is that he openly admitted that he is trolling.

Even more amazing is we keep feeding him....... We need to band together
and stop feeding the troll.

Allen

Jose wrote in news:WHYrh.24581$sR.12155
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:

The really amazing part is that he openly admitted that he is
trolling.

No, considering the treatment he has gotten, I'm not surprised at all.
If everyone would be happy that everyone else is simply making their
own
decisions, all would be ok. But people want to tell others what to do.

Lez C, let me guess... you say it's ok to yell fire when there is no
fire. (causes chaos)

Lez C, let me guess... it's ok for a smoker to blow smoke in a non
smoker's face... (causes discomfort)

Lez C, let me guess... it's ok to troll an aviation newsgroup....
(causes discord)

Guess what, people disagree with you, you don't like it, move on. If you
like Mx, email him directly, and save us the crap.

Peer pressure works wonders, you don't like it, then either move on or
wake up and smell the coffee. Mx is a troll. His RESPONSES are nothing
short of disrespectful to those that have been there and done it.

That's where it comes apart.

On the contrary, it comes together. The more that stop responding to Mx,
the more peace and tranquility we can bring back to the groups.

Peace out....

Allen

Lez C, let me guess... you say it's ok to yell fire when there is no
fire. (causes chaos)

No, but not because it "causes chaos" but because it causes and
immediately dangerous situation (a stampede towards the door). It's
also not parallel to here.

Lez C, let me guess... it's ok for a smoker to blow smoke in a non
smoker's face... (causes discomfort)

No, that is a direct act of assault. But it's ok for a smoker to smoke
in a smoking section of a bar. This newsgroup isn't a "non-smoking"
section. Moderated groups are.

Lez C, let me guess... it's ok to troll an aviation newsgroup....
(causes discord)

No. We're getting closer. He's been called a troll, that doesn't make
him one. The claim is he's said he's a troll. I haven't seen his
claim, and even saying so doesn't make it so. But... is the discord
caused by the troll, or by the reaction? Count the posts of reaction
compared to the originating posts.

Trolling is also easy to quell. Simply silently ignore the alleged
troll. Silently ignore the threads he starts. (The key is "silently").

Guess what, people disagree with you, you don't like it, move on. If you
like Mx, email him directly, and save us the crap.

Guess what, I will respond to whomever I choose. If you don't like it,
ignore me, and stop the crap.

Peer pressure works wonders, you don't like it, then either move on or
wake up and smell the coffee. Mx is a troll. His RESPONSES are nothing
short of disrespectful to those that have been there and done it.

I do not believe he is as he is painted by the mob.

Further, I find the highest quantity of disrespect comes from the
regulars here. I have not found him to be personally insulting, nor has
he stooped to the level of diatribe and ad hominum which many (otherwise
respected) long time posters have descended to.

When I examine (the factual content of) his posts, compared with (the
factual content of) responses to him, he comes out even. Even well
respected posters here have posted some howlers, which do not get the
disrespect those putative facts deserve. It seems people will go to any
lengths to insult and denegrate Mx.

I think that a large part of the problem is that Mx does not express
himself well, and few here have the patience and willingness to see
through what he has written to understand the root of what he is asking.
This sometimes takes a few go-arounds, but it can be done. The times
I believe I have been successful, I do not get any positive feedback
from him, but that's ok. I can see from the fact that the line of
questioning ends, that I have satisfactorily answered his concerns.
Sometimes one must read between the lines.

Those that don't feel so inclined, won't. And if they did that, and
nothing else, the "problem" would go away, even if the "problem poster"
doesn't. Ask yourself whether you want the problem to go away, or the
poster. The answer may be revealing.

The more that stop responding to Mx, the more peace
and tranquility we can bring back to the groups.

Ignore poster
Ignore thread
Ignore if "subject contains..."

Those tools are as powerful as google.

And about google... these newsgroups are not a classroom, they are not a
town meeting, they are not a lot of things. What they are, are
conversations. There is almost =nothing= that has been discussed in
these groups (even before Mx) that couldn't be found on google.

And about simming vs reality... Mx has stated that he likes to
pretend-fly, but does not want to fly for real in any way, shape, or
form. I happen not to share his sentiment, but don't fault him for it.
I have an in-law who likes war re-enactments. He (and the entire
group) aims for as much realism as possible, within the limits of the
game. He's run up huge bills on Ebay getting authentic gear, spends
many of his weekends away from home pretending to be in a Russian
encampment in the middle of winter, driving real tanks and army jeeps,
and whatnot. However, he has absolutly =no= interest in =actually=
joining the armed forces and =actually= fighting a =real= war, with real
bullets and real bombs.

I can understand this. I suspect most here can too.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

(I shouldn't post this...I shouldn't post this...I shouldn't post this...Aw
Hell...)

"Jose" wrote in message
t...
Lez C, let me guess... you say it's ok to yell fire when there is no
fire. (causes chaos)

No, but not because it "causes chaos" but because it causes and
immediately dangerous situation (a stampede towards the door). It's also
not parallel to here.

It may not be germain to r.a.p. but it most certainly is for r.a.s. His
misinformed opinions (stated as facts) could be potentially dangerous and
get someone hurt (or worse.) This discussion (and every claim he makes)
should not be cross posted to r.a.s.

We're all big boy and girl pilots in r.a.p. who can talk it, walk it and BS
about it as well. We can take responsiblity for our own actions but (IMO)
student pilots deserve a more honest shake and a little more in the way of
filtration. Granted, no one should ever accept anything from usenet as
gospel but all it would take is just one post-solo student, out on their own
in the practice area who has one of the Albatross's little gems pop into his
or her head and tries to do something that he says is the way it should be
done and...

Snip Smoking References... I'm now smoke-free since 12/7/05...but I defend
people's right to do it...)

Lez C, let me guess... it's ok to troll an aviation newsgroup....
(causes discord)

No. We're getting closer. He's been called a troll, that doesn't make him
one. The claim is he's said he's a troll. I haven't seen his claim, and
even saying so doesn't make it so. But... is the discord caused by the
troll, or by the reaction? Count the posts of reaction compared to the
originating posts.

The reaction(s) is/are the direct result of his being unable to accept the
answers he is being given. Dunno about you, but I was taught to say please
and thank you when asking for help and receiving same. I was also taught
that it's rude to call people stupid or ignorant or to tell them that they
are liars. In essence, this is what he does. I'm reminded of the line from
"A Few Good Men" where Nicholson berates Cruise along the lines of "You
sleep under the blanket of freedom that I provide then have the gaul to
question the manner in which I provide it."

If he feels that the information provided is incorrect, he is free to persue
the answers in the same manner and from the exact same materials we all use:
the AIM/FAR and the multiple ACs provided on the web, by the FAA, FREE OF
F*CKING CHARGE!!! This, it would seem, is also part of his disdain for
aviation and for pilots because he is unwilling (beligerantly so...) to go
do any research on his own. He's right, he's always right, he knows he's
always right and he doesn't hesitate to tell all of us that he's always
right. It is as impossible to hold a discussion with someone who knows it
all as it is to have one with someone who knows nothing (and in this case,
IMO, he fits both catagories.)

Trolling is also easy to quell. Simply silently ignore the alleged troll.
Silently ignore the threads he starts. (The key is "silently").

Thread hijacking is not, however. Personally, this is the thing that irks
me the most. Especially over on r.a.s. I'm still a very new pilot. I
still have questions but I hesitate to post them because I don't want or
need his input on anything and any quality information will be lost in the
noise he causes. IMO he's all but detroyed r.a.p. and is a huge negative
effect on r.a.s. I may be wrong, but the posting activity on r.a.s. has
dropped to nil of late and I think he's a big reason. New students see the
rancor and discord that he causes and run like hell. I know I would if I
were just starting out.

Guess what, people disagree with you, you don't like it, move on. If you
like Mx, email him directly, and save us the crap.

Guess what, I will respond to whomever I choose. If you don't like it,
ignore me, and stop the crap.

Peer pressure works wonders, you don't like it, then either move on or
wake up and smell the coffee. Mx is a troll. His RESPONSES are nothing
short of disrespectful to those that have been there and done it.

I do not believe he is as he is painted by the mob.

I have to come down firmly in the "He's as Troll as Troll can be" camp...

Further, I find the highest quantity of disrespect comes from the regulars
here. I have not found him to be personally insulting, nor has he stooped
to the level of diatribe and ad hominum which many (otherwise respected)
long time posters have descended to.

Well I can't speak for you, but I happen to be very insulted by his
incessant blather regarding the negatives of GA. This is, for me, the root
of why he needs to be cast out. Why, in the name of all that is holy, would
you purposly come to any of the r.a.*. groups (and especially r.a.s.) and
attempt to convince all and sundry that flying is bad? For the love of God,
why?!!!? And in doing so, why should anyone who is doing this be given
anything but short shrift? In my mind, it's no different than walking into
a fundamentalist church and telling the congregation that their preacher is
lying, God doesn't exsist, Mary was a crack whore, Jesus was her pimp and
they're all going to Hell. They're certainly not going to give the time of
day to someone who is trying to tear down that in which they belive to be
true so why should we?

r.a.p. is our church. Flying is our religion. Gilespie McGee's poem
doesn't end with "...put out my hand and touched the face of Microsoft."

When I examine (the factual content of) his posts, compared with (the
factual content of) responses to him, he comes out even. Even well
respected posters here have posted some howlers, which do not get the
disrespect those putative facts deserve. It seems people will go to any
lengths to insult and denegrate Mx.

The major difference: The "well respected posters" you speak of have never
been preceeded a post with the disclaimer: "Ich Bin Ein Flight Simmer..."
If you're going to talk the talk, you need to have at least taken one small
step toward the walk dontcha think?

I think that a large part of the problem is that Mx does not express
himself well, and few here have the patience and willingness to see through
what he has written to understand the root of what he is asking. This
sometimes takes a few go-arounds, but it can be done. The times I believe
I have been successful, I do not get any positive feedback from him, but
that's ok. I can see from the fact that the line of questioning ends, that
I have satisfactorily answered his concerns. Sometimes one must read
between the lines.

Which one does how when one only has black letters on a white screen (or at
best, a smiley?) Sorry Jose, but if you're expending that much mental
energy on trying to find "deeper meaning" in his words, you're wasting your
time.

Those that don't feel so inclined, won't. And if they did that, and
nothing else, the "problem" would go away, even if the "problem poster"
doesn't. Ask yourself whether you want the problem to go away, or the
poster. The answer may be revealing.

Survey Says: The Poster...definately The Poster.

The more that stop responding to Mx, the more peace and tranquility we
can bring back to the groups.

Ignore poster
Ignore thread
Ignore if "subject contains..."

Those tools are as powerful as google.

See my point above Thread Hijacking...

And about google... these newsgroups are not a classroom, they are not a
town meeting, they are not a lot of things. What they are, are
conversations. There is almost =nothing= that has been discussed in these
groups (even before Mx) that couldn't be found on google.

Not to pick nits but there's this other newsgroup called
rec.aviation.STUDENT. Student implies education so in a sense, at least
r.a.s. is a "classroom" of sorts.

Oh, and as for Google, people here have begged, pleaded, cajoled, posted
links and done everything but get on a plane to France and hand deliver a
copy of the AIM/FAR! with the answers to his questions. There is only so
much goodwill and/or energy worth expending before you finally have to throw
up your hands and say "WTF, Over?"

And about simming vs reality... Mx has stated that he likes to pretend-fly,
but does not want to fly for real in any way, shape, or form. I happen not
to share his sentiment, but don't fault him for it.

Nor do I. I enjoy FS (I know you've seen me post on that board...) and have
had a version of it since it ran in green wire-form, but r.a.* is not the
place for discussing it. There are two flight-sim specific newsgroups that
I know of and one of them is **specifically chartered** for the discussion
of issues relating to Microsoft Flight Simulator.

I have an in-law who likes war re-enactments. He (and the entire group)
aims for as much realism as possible, within the limits of the game. He's
run up huge bills on Ebay getting authentic gear, spends many of his
weekends away from home pretending to be in a Russian encampment in the
middle of winter, driving real tanks and army jeeps, and whatnot.
However, he has absolutly =no= interest in =actually= joining the armed
forces and =actually= fighting a =real= war, with real bullets and real
bombs.

But, does he actively seek out newsgroups related to veterans affairs or
even military matters and bombard them with posts about how much more
accurate are his wargames versus what real war is like? Does he tell them
how wrong they were to fight in wars? Does he tell them that the only
reason they fought is because people with more money didn't have to? Does
he tell them that their buddies didn't die the right way because that's not
how they die in his wargames? If someone ever disrepected my father that
way, I'd personally load the gun and shoot them myself so that they may get
a more accurate perspective.

Don't try to tell me that this is apples and oranges because it's exactly
the same damn thing...ignorance (note the lower case "i") combined with a
complete and utter lack of respect for the knowledge and accomplishments of
others.

I can understand this. I suspect most here can too.

Sorry Dude, I'm not one of them...

I'm as done with him as I can be. And, I'm very sorry Jose, but as one of
his biggest appologists, I'm done with you as well. I bid you peace, safe
flights and blue skies but "Buh Bye..."

Jay Beckman
Private Pilot - SEL
Chandler, AZ

Jose wrote:
Trolling is also easy to quell. Simply silently ignore the alleged
troll. Silently ignore the threads he starts. (The key is "silently").


Don't tell us what to do. We'll answer whomever we please. snicker


Guess what, people disagree with you, you don't like it, move on. If you
like Mx, email him directly, and save us the crap.

Guess what, I will respond to whomever I choose. If you don't like it,
ignore me, and stop the crap.


You've got a deal there.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Jay Beckman wrote:
I'm as done with him as I can be. And, I'm very sorry Jose, but as one of
his biggest appologists, I'm done with you as well. I bid you peace, safe
flights and blue skies but "Buh Bye..."


I'm proud of you, me boy. G I've been killfiling both The Albatross and
those who defend him for a while now but I just added Jose to the list myself a
few moments before I read your well crafted statement. Jose no longer exists in
my world either. If he'll spout that kind of crap about MX, there's no telling
how wrong he is about everything else.

Well done. I imagine there are several others here who'd agree with you.
They're the brighter ones.... G




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

It may not be germain to r.a.p. but it most certainly is for r.a.s. His
misinformed opinions (stated as facts) could be potentially dangerous and
get someone hurt (or worse.)

This is true, but still not like shouting "fire" in a theater. In any
newsgroup there is time for reflection and discussion.

The reaction(s) is/are the direct result of his being unable to accept the
answers he is being given.

He is not totally without foundation there. He also does eventually
seem to accept them if they are presented sufficiently clearly (taking
into account that the things he actually says are not quite the things
he thinks he is saying).

Thread hijacking is not, however.

Sure it is. Change the subject line.

I still have questions but I
hesitate to post them because I don't want or
need his input on anything

Kill file.

and attempt to convince all and sundry that flying is bad?

He doesn't. He merely states (in response to suggestions that he take a
lesson) his reasons why he won't. He has not gone on a campaign here.

r.a.p. is our church.

That's taking it a bit too far, no?

The major difference: The "well respected posters" you speak of have never
been preceeded a post with the disclaimer: "Ich Bin Ein Flight Simmer..."

That gives them the right to bleat out completely false information
without being taken to task?

Which one does how when one only has black letters on a white screen (or at
best, a smiley?) Sorry Jose, but if you're expending that much mental
energy on trying to find "deeper meaning" in his words, you're wasting your
time.

IT doesn't really take all that much, except patience, and a lack of
inclination to lash out personally at people. Maybe it helps that I've
also been such a target in the past.

Survey Says: The Poster...definately The Poster.

Alas, that's a symptom what's wrong with the world. The same could be
said for "the drug problem" and "the terrorism problem". Misidentifying
the problem only preserves a bad situation.

There is only so much goodwill and/or energy
worth expending before you finally have to throw
up your hands and say "WTF, Over?"

So do that. There are those here who want to lead a lynching though. I
think that's not only inappropriate, it =becomes= the problem.

But, does he actively seek out newsgroups related to veterans affairs or
even military matters and bombard them with posts about how much more
accurate are his wargames versus what real war is like? Does he tell them
how wrong they were to fight in wars? Does he tell them that the only
reason they fought is because people with more money didn't have to? Does
he tell them that their buddies didn't die the right way because that's not
how they die in his wargames?

I won't speak for him or other war gamers. I was addressing only the
point that some here can't understand not wanting to do the real thing.

I'm very sorry Jose, but as one of
his biggest appologists, I'm done with you as well.

I'm not an apologist =for= him. I am an apologist (I suppose) =against=
the mob mentality that has resulted from his visit. This mob mentality
is completely under our control.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote

Guess what, I will respond to whomever I choose. If you don't like it,
ignore me, and stop the crap.

Done. You are a piece of crap, as it turns out, anyway.

Let me get this accurate. A dumbass piece.

I had you blocked for a long time, then not. I can't imagine why I would
have changed my mind, now.

I hope you and your ilk enjoy your conversations with MX. I further hope
that those tired of MX will stop responding, and block MX and anyone who
responds to him. Get that? Anyone who responds to him.

I know more than one person who has taken up that strategy. Add me to it.

If everyone follows this proceedure, soon it will be just the clueless
conversing with MX, king of the clueless. They deserve each other.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in
:

I hope you and your ilk enjoy your conversations with MX. I further
hope that those tired of MX will stop responding, and block MX and
anyone who responds to him. Get that? Anyone who responds to him.

I know more than one person who has taken up that strategy. Add me to
it.

If everyone follows this proceedure, soon it will be just the clueless
conversing with MX, king of the clueless. They deserve each other.

Amen Jim!

Out of respect of the majority opinion of the groups, common sense would be
if to either followup their replies to the simmer groups (He is simming,
not flying) or private email if they so desired conversation.

But as always, there is always that one or two in a crowd that makes it bad
for the rest of us......

Allen