Do you flight plan?

If he
really wanted to be able to immediately fly out of that location if he
had to use it, he would make arrangements to get fuel there.


I suppose that's reasonable, for every set of airports he might need to use.
And if he didn't use them, he should make arrangements to get the fuel back out
of there.

Not

Jose

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On Sat, 14 Dec 2003, Teacherjh wrote:


If he
really wanted to be able to immediately fly out of that location if he
had to use it, he would make arrangements to get fuel there.


I suppose that's reasonable, for every set of airports he might need to use.
And if he didn't use them, he should make arrangements to get the fuel back out
of there.

Not

The pilot in question was flightplanning for *Antarctica*. Or at least,
was supposed to be... There are NO commercial fuel suppliers
down there; none of the government-run research projects are in the
business of supplying private expeditions.

This suggests that a cache of fuel shipped down to McMurdo earlier this
year might not have been a bad way to spend some money. Even if he might
have spent some more money shipping it all home again.

This is just basic logistics, really.

Brian.

This suggests that a cache of fuel shipped down to McMurdo earlier this
year might not have been a bad way to spend some money. Even if he might
have spent some more money shipping it all home again.


And what is that cache of fuel supposed to be shipped IN? What if THAT mission
got buggered for some other reason? There's a point at which things just get
too complicated and the chance of mishap increases.

Jose

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Nasir wrote:

Having received my PPL recently and been on several cross countries, I was
wondering how extensive of a flight plan do people prepare before the trip?

Do you guys do all the checkpoints on a map, calculate time/distance/fuel to
each leg? Do you just draw the line on the map and mark checkpoints that you
expect to see but not calculate other things? Do you always calculate winds
aloft and fly the appropriate heading?

I have found myself getting lazy and I dont do all that I did when planning
x-countries when I was training. I tend to draw my line and mark
checkpoints, make sure I have plenty of fuel to get to my destination (plus
an hour more) based on 6gal/hr average. But I dont calculate
time/distance/fuel to each leg. I also have a GPS so that makes getting lazy
easier!

How much do you all plan before each x-country? Am I the only slacker?

Nasir



I use IFR charts. They basically have all the flight planning on them
all worked out. It may not be a straight line but I can get in the
airplane and go.

John Roncallo

("Andrew Rowley" wrote)
snip
There is an article in todays paper about the reception others have
got on expeditions to Antarctica, it sounds like the treatment is a
standard thing:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...125711709.html


After re-reading the piece, I think the *hut and airplane* section is from
1985. If so, is there a Cessna sitting down there "rotting?" How'd they get
a Cessna out of there in 1985?

Can you imagine flying and maintaining an abandoned (then salvaged) Cessna
....in Antarctica?

FAR's - in Antarctica? We don't need no stink'n FAR's.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...125711709.html

(From the article above)
We were told that the Cessna - and the expeditionary hut - would be left to
rot on the ice.

Two or three days went by. You lose track of time in the 24-hour light. At
an angry expedition meeting, it was decided three men would stay behind on
Cape Evans, as caretakers of the hut and the plane.

Meanwhile, according to the plan, money for a transport plane or ship would
somehow be raised in the coming year.

However, the three men who remained behind were declared personae non grata
by the Americans and apparently found little joy at the New Zealand station.
[end of article]

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(Teacherjh) writes:


If he
really wanted to be able to immediately fly out of that location if he
had to use it, he would make arrangements to get fuel there.


I suppose that's reasonable, for every set of airports he might need to use.
And if he didn't use them, he should make arrangements to get the fuel back out
of there.

Not

Did you miss the part where I said "If he really wanted to be able to
immediately fly out"? I'm not suggesting that it's reasonable for him
to make arrangements to immediately fly out of any location he might
use. The point was that if he did not make arrangements, he shouldn't
be surprised and abrasive to find that the resources aren't available.

'course we don't know that he was. It's just a couple of loud pilots
here who seem to expect the world to make up for their lack of
planning.

--kyler

It's just a couple of loud pilots
here who seem to expect the world to make up for their lack of
planning.

Hey, Kyler . . .this "loud" pilot is getting tired of your obnoxious
commentary.

The man is a fellow aviator, one with courage and probably more piloting skill
and experience than you have amassed in your entire life.

That he finds himself stranded in the Antarctic without fuel deserves more than
your curt, unforgiving "he should have planned better" criticism.

You better remember that when YOU make some error that leaves YOU in
circumstances where YOU need assistance to bail your butt out.

Oh, I forgot, you are the PERFECT pilot, and you *never* make mistakes, do you?

(loudly)
www.Rosspilot.com

(Teacherjh) writes:

And what is that cache of fuel supposed to be shipped IN? What if THAT mission
got buggered for some other reason? There's a point at which things just get
too complicated and the chance of mishap increases.

Darn it! We really must do something to make minimally-planned
recreational flights near the poles less of a hassle.

How are people going to follow "in the tradition of Lindbergh,
Amelia Earhardt, Ruttan, Yeager and all the other cutting-edge
adventurous courageous spirits who set out to test themselves
and their flying machines" if they have to put a bunch of effort
into logistics?

--kyler

To the NG:

I apologize.

Of course, when it all comes down to it, he *should have planned better*. I'm
not disputing that.

But as a fellow pilot who admires men who set out on adventures (that most men
only read or dream about), I would extend myself to assist in getting him
airborne again.

That the station did not HAVE sufficient fuel makes the entire argument
academic.
When I first heard the story, I got the impression that they simply refused to
sell it ONLY to discourage other adventurers from heading there. I also didn't
think there was a long line waiting to make that kind of
flight.

Turns out I was wrong on both counts, apparently.

I'm returning to my normally-civil self now.
G



www.Rosspilot.com

ospam (Rosspilot) writes:

You better remember that when YOU make some error that leaves YOU in
circumstances where YOU need assistance to bail your butt out.

I won't need to. It's automatic that I take responsibility for my
(in)actions.

Oh, I forgot, you are the PERFECT pilot, and you *never* make mistakes, do you?

I'm not sure why it is that you're so interested in my behavior, nor
why you have such difficulty trying to guess it correctly, but I am
impressed by your tenacity in the face of constant failure.

--kyler