Leaving the community

As someone who also voted for Kerry (not with much enthusiasm, though) my I add
my comment, "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."

What a bunch of baby boy crap to post on an IFR flying forum.

David Brooks wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48% who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

-- David Brooks

I think you WAY over estimate the power a president actually has. Probably
because you actually listen to all they promise.



-Robert


"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I
had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a
weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad
sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48%
who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home,
into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

-- David Brooks

You're overreacting - cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This community is a lot more diverse than you think it is. It's just
that some of us make it a point to keep religion and politics out of
it, because this isn't the right place. Everyone (myself included)
loses it sometimes, when something just can't be left unanswered, but
it's a bad idea. Best to leave it unanswered anyway, and killfile the
posters who keep doing it. The group becomes a lot easier to read,
and you don't miss much that's useful.

Speaking plainly, political and religious comments don't belong here,
and posting them here is uncivil at best. The nature of the political
and religious content on these newsgroups is probably less of a
reflection of the community as a whole and more a reflection of the
inability of those who express these ideas here to find the proper
place and keep it there. Any conclusions you might draw between the
tendency to post political and religious beliefs where they are
clearly inappropriate and the nature of those beliefs are up to you.

Michael

"Michael" wrote in message
om...
You're overreacting - cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This community is a lot more diverse than you think it is. It's just
that some of us make it a point to keep religion and politics out of
it, because this isn't the right place. Everyone (myself included)
loses it sometimes, when something just can't be left unanswered, but
it's a bad idea. Best to leave it unanswered anyway, and killfile the
posters who keep doing it. The group becomes a lot easier to read,
and you don't miss much that's useful.

Speaking plainly, political and religious comments don't belong here,
and posting them here is uncivil at best. The nature of the political
and religious content on these newsgroups is probably less of a
reflection of the community as a whole and more a reflection of the
inability of those who express these ideas here to find the proper
place and keep it there. Any conclusions you might draw between the
tendency to post political and religious beliefs where they are
clearly inappropriate and the nature of those beliefs are up to you.

Michael

Well put.
--
Jim in NC


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Hang on a minute, let me get my violin for some sad music. Better yet let me
get the door for you, then we can play turkey in the straw.

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I
had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a
weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad
sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48%
who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home,
into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

-- David Brooks

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit.
-- David Brooks

And neither does reading War and Peace between the outer marker and
decision height.................So for THIS reason you decided to post
this idiotic nonsense and bring politics into the cockpit right?
You know Brooks; I had a job once pushing a D18 Beech into Washington
National every night. While I was on vacation, they hired me a new co
pilot. After I got back, I walked into the flight office and everybody
was jabbering about something they thought was real cute. Before I had a
chance to meet the new guy, they pulled me into a side office and asked
me if I minded flying with this new guy because he was black. You know
what I told them? I said I didn't give a rat's ass if he was purple as
long as he could fly!
Flying is flying...period. You'd be well advised if you intend hanging
around this business for any length of time to get this kind of crap
right out of your head. There's no place for it here, and no place for
it in any airplane I'm flying, I'll tell you that. But you're right,
this kind of thinking has absolutely no place even near an airplane. If
you can't handle it on a simple newsgroup, I'd hate to think of you
flying with some co-pilot someday whose politics you didn't agree with!
Man, this is not a healthy attitude for a pilot.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:54:37 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"David Brooks" wrote in message
...

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit.
-- David Brooks

And neither does reading War and Peace between the outer marker and
decision height.................So for THIS reason you decided to post
this idiotic nonsense and bring politics into the cockpit right?
snip
But you're right,
this kind of thinking has absolutely no place even near an airplane. If
you can't handle it on a simple newsgroup, I'd hate to think of you
flying with some co-pilot someday whose politics you didn't agree with!
Man, this is not a healthy attitude for a pilot.

That's a lot of good common sense Dudley, but with his attitude, I
think he probably made his statement and then left so he wouldn't hear
any rational rebuttals.

I do agree, that any one with that attitude should not be doing
something that requires calm and rational thinking under pressure such
as flying.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
for email; take out the trash

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:58:32 -0500, Roger wrote:

That's a lot of good common sense Dudley

I thought so too.
--
Steve
E-mail: steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com
Hong Kong, 05/11/2004 19:47:44

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:55:51 -0800, "David Brooks"
wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit.
snip
Nor does it belong in newsgroups not devoted to it.

If this was meant as a troll, it sure worked. 181 posts so far.

I agree with Michael (Damn! Did I just say that?). Politics and
religion belong on their own groups. Often it's difficult to keep
quiet when some one makes a strong statement as to one or the other
and that is what creates threads with 181 posts. I have to plead
guilty to having retorted to a few political posts on the groups this
year, but not many. At least not many compared to the number of on
topic posts I make.

Most of us get along quite well on here *most* of the time, although
probably a lot fewer would be able to get along in real life, or IRL
as the simmers call it.:-))

I try to remember that what ever my religious and political views,
there are probably as least as many who would take the other side of
the argument.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.


Basically, there are 4 corners of politics:

1. Conservative: restrict personal behavior; economic freedom
2. Liberal: personal freedom; restrict economic freedom
3. Classical Liberal: personal freedom; economic freedom
4. Authoritarian: restrict personal behavior; restrict economic freedom.

Since you are a liberal, you see the repressive aspects of Bush, but you
fail to see the repressive side of liberalism.

A choice between conservative vs liberal is typically a choice of what
kind of repression you want. Since both sides are for what the other is
against, there is what appears to be a great divide. Wouldn't it be
better to be a classical liberal and return to the freedoms that our
founding father's intended? There doesn't have to be a choice between
one of only two options.

Now, why did I respond to what appears to be an off topic discussion.
Politics DOES belong in the cockpit. We pilots need to be concerned
when either party attacks our freedom in the cockpit. Attempts have
been made that severly restrict GA, but a Hertz Rental truck could be
used to inflict far greater destruction. The AOPA had been outstanding
in fighting for absurd regulations.

If you are not a member of AOPA, find out what good they have
performed. Think about joining.