Europe as joke

On 26 Oct 2003 02:05:10 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

Well, put, but the US is among the nations (as is the UK) opposing the
majority vote

Well, perhaps you should say US politicians as most senior military leaders
feel the current policy renders the alliance impotent.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Not only impotent, but to most Americans, repulsive. I believe that the
average US Citizen would much rather have (at least a trade) relationship
with the PRC than with Europe. The Europeans seem to be unable to
understand the depths of US feeling on this issue, and they continue
to expectorate the situation with their stupid comments.

Al Minyard

"Emmanuel.Gustin" wrote:

Stephen Harding wrote:
: Anyways, I personally believe there will be more glory for the
: US doing this ourselves, without significant help from anyone.

You can't. The only ones who can do it are the Iraqis
themselves. Foreign assistance should be strictly that,
assistance.

Oh you're absolutely right there! The Iraqis will eventually decide
what sort of country comes of this.

The issue at hand though, is *which* Iraqis???

Seems "European" policy promotes the old Saddam regime being the ones'
who decide what sort of nation Iraq will be, by its little financial
support, refusal to give the overthrow of the Saddam government any
legitimacy via the UN and pushing for the premature removal of US
troops, all of which will aid the more ruthless former government
elements of the country, that still have a great deal of resources at
their disposal to reestablish themselves in power.

It is US policy that other Iraqi groups have that say.


SMH



SMH

Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

Alan Minyard schrieb:

Gruss, Roman

Your kow-towing to Yizreal and to this ****-eating Jew is nothing
short of disgraceful. Time to tell these malevolent guilt-mongers to
FOAD.

Grantland

??????? ?????? wrote:

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Why should they pay for what the US broke? You see, if Europe begin to shell
out for every country the US invades, it might become a pattern. If Mr. Bush
does not know how best to blow his mint, let him donate those billions he
spends on war in iraq to some charity.

Saddam Hussein broke Iraq!

The US is going to try to put it back together. Not certain it will succeed,
in which case, it will be a bigger mess for a time than it was before. But
if it does work, could be something of real national pride like the Marshall
Plan.

Ivan the Bear
=Nothing per-r-rsonal, just business=

Glad to see you back here Ivan, even if you are on the wrong side of the
fence on the Iraq issue.


SMH

On or about Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:38:00 -0000, "TJ"
allegedly uttered:


"Peter Kemp"

Nope, the F-104s left a few years back, to be replaced temporarily by
leased UK Tornado F.3s, and now the F-16s, pending the operational
arrival of Typhoon.


---

Peter, the Italian F-104s never left service. They are still in front-line
service sitting QRA. During 2003 some of the AMI F-104s visited UK airshows:

http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/airshow03/waddo/f104.jpg

http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/airshow0...three/f104.jpg


Well, once again I learn something new. Cheers TJ. So if the F-104s
were staying on, what was the role of the F-3s? A partial replacement
for some life expired F-104s a supplement to them, or another role?

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

BUFDRVR wrote:
If you are not going to help in Iraq, we will be
forced to remove our troops and support in the Balkans in order to ease our
burden in Iraq.

Are you the one in charge ?

--
Guy Wastiaux
aka FauCon PoiLu
visit me @ http://guy.4002.org/
mail me @ faucon.Wastiaux @ laposte.net

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:42:41 -0500, Stephen Harding wrote:

Seems "European" policy promotes the old Saddam regime being the ones'
who decide what sort of nation Iraq will be,

That's nonsense and you know it. European policy is for Iraqis and
the UN to be in charge of Iraq in the interim period; US policy is
for the USA to be in charge.

by its little financial
support, refusal to give the overthrow of the Saddam government any
legitimacy via the UN

The arrangements in Iraq will be given legitimacy when they become
legitimate, i.e. UN or Iraqi control.

and pushing for the premature removal of US
troops,

Europe is not pushing for this.


--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

If you would have ever talked to someone who lived through a
bombardment or through a POW camp or through a NS concentration camp,
through war and violence, you would be have as loud..

I have been through war, and I did not like it. That does not mean that there
are not other things that are worse.

You
cannot just forget it, you have to do something to make up for it.

Like giving Israel three dolphin class subs for the price of one? No,
thats a nice deal, but it doesn´t make up mass murder. This has to be
done in direct contact, a thing that we practiced at schools. I have
friends in Israel as I have friends in Palestine...

That explains the discrimination against the Turks, etc. in Germany?

What does this have to do with neglecting genocides?

Great, no reply on the question. Very civilizes manner.


Our society is open for everyone who wants to participate in. If
people don´t want to do it, they stay within their folks and live
their lives.. What is the second biggest turkish citiy? Berlin. No
problem with it.

We don´t force people into integration, even if it means that society
pays for their living (welfare). On integration, we share the problem
the USA has with hispanic immigrants - they can rely on their folks
for a living and thus never fully integrate into society..

Most Hispanic immigrants are productive members of the middle/upper
income ranges.

That is exactly why we are careful about declaring and pushing towards
war. We see it everyday what war does to nations, people, cities and
even landscapes. We don´t want it.

You are cowards.

Don´t tell me what I am.

I was speaking of your country. I'll stand by that statement.

Man, your spreading buzzwords, but you aren´t argueing.

See?


Where did the inhabitants of Bosnia or Kosovo "mock and deride" you?
They need _our_ help. Yours and ours.

We have no interest in the area.

And the Euroweinies did exactly what about it???

Nothing. Or as much as the USA.

Gee, that must be why Saddam is no longer in power and all of those
US Soldiers are in Iraq.

You don´t read arguments, do you?

Yes, I do. You are a typical European who does not value liberty or
freedom because they have been the gifts of the US.

You do not get out much, do you? The US has been the strongest
supporter of Israel for the last 50 years.

Wrong. The USA/Israeli cooperation lasts only about 35 years. Until
about Rabins time as ambassador in Washington and until the Nixon
administration gained power Israel cooperated with Europe in terms of
weapons development and cooperation.

The French will sell weapons to anyone, the Germans did nothing.

No reply on it, again.

What have the Israelis requested? We supply them with arms and
money (lots of money), Europe does nothing except sell arms to
the arabs.

German Bundeswehr cooperates with IDF/Zahal (Navy, AF as much as I
know). We share technology (like the MTU license for the Merkava tank
engine) as we deal on a commercial base (like the Dolphin sub deal).
And Germany did give Israel money.

No, you sell tech (low tech, at that).

Any the despicable Europeans have done what? Oh, yes, that is
right, they have done *nothing*. (Except of course, the Brits and the
Poles).


And Spain, and Czech Republic, and Denmark, and Italy, and... well,
even Germany. AWACS and the Fuchs in Kuwait.

Kuwait is not at war.

But close to it. Iraq isn´t at war, either. Your big boss said it, but
his assistent secretary of defense just learned it the hard way. :-(

The War on Terrorism is alive and well, even if the Germans have
decided to hide their heads in the sand (as usual)

We appreciate the European Countries that have
supported the US, the rest of you can go to hell.

Ah, I love a discussion based on friendly manners.

Germany is not a friendly country.

Not as gray as you would like, we see who our friends are, and we
will take care of them, the French, Germans, etc can rot for all we
care.

Not to worry, I certainly would not want to be a "friend" of an enemy national.


Al Minyard

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:14:51 +0100, guy wastiaux wrote:

BUFDRVR wrote:
If you are not going to help in Iraq, we will be
forced to remove our troops and support in the Balkans in order to ease our
burden in Iraq.

Are you the one in charge ?

He speaks for the majority of the American public, and we ARE in charge.

Al Minyard

And how many European troops are in Afganistan to play along with all those
cowboys?

About 1000, but when NATO takes over the Kabul security area I believe it'll
increase to 1,500.

I'll tell you what. If we can remove our 10,000 troops, plus all the support
functions we do in the Balkans, you can remove your 1500 so they aren't
infected by us "cowboys".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"