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Mxsmanic wrote:

I know a few teenage kids at my local airport who earned their
PPLs with just a part time job at the FBO during the summers.

How many teenage kids are willing to go to that extreme just to learn to fly?


I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing that isn't
a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires strong motivation.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing
that isn't a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires
strong motivation.


Well, it's not begging for change to buy three potatoes, but some people do
it.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing that isn't
a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires strong motivation.

You mean things like cool clothes, guitars and amplifiers, surf boards,
motorcycles, cars, video games, iPods, water skies, tickets to concerts,
and any other number of things a teenager could be interested in that
aren't a "necessity of life" for a teenager living with parents?

But, you probably don't understand any of that down there in your
bunker.


--
Jim Pennino

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Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Well, I'll give you an example.. Turns around a point.

That was one of the ones I could think of. The other one I've read about is
'S' turns about a line feature like a road.

This is just one example, but it's he best.
Ponder this for a while. If you get it right you'll be one of a tiny
minority that does when introduced to it.
Then take it to your instructor and ask him. I will put good money on him
getting it wrong.

While I think I can get my head around what would need to be done to
maintain it, the actual practice is likely to be somewhat different
obviously!

While I can see that it's useful, I'm not sure I see why you'd necessarily
be a worse pilot never having done it.

Again, comments coming from a somewhat naive PPL student, so not
contradicting you, just trying to understand for my own benefit.

Cheers

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote in
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Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Well, I'll give you an example.. Turns around a point.

That was one of the ones I could think of. The other one I've read
about is 'S' turns about a line feature like a road.

They're essentially the same manuever. Just a variation.

There's a really cool one called eights on pylons. In those, you have to
pick two pylons and do a figure of eight around them. The wind is
blowing frm one pylon to the other.
But in these the bank angle is constant as you make the round part of
the eights. So, you have to adjust your speed around the figure to make
the groundspeed constant all the way around. You aren;'t allowed to
touch the throttle though, which means you climb and dive around the
figure to do that.
That's a commercial manuever.

This is just one example, but it's he best.
Ponder this for a while. If you get it right you'll be one of a tiny
minority that does when introduced to it.
Then take it to your instructor and ask him. I will put good money on
him getting it wrong.

While I think I can get my head around what would need to be done to
maintain it, the actual practice is likely to be somewhat different
obviously!

While I can see that it's useful, I'm not sure I see why you'd
necessarily be a worse pilot never having done it.

Again, comments coming from a somewhat naive PPL student, so not
contradicting you, just trying to understand for my own benefit.


Did you get it right though?

The theory is one thing. Doing them is another. Remember you have to
hold altitude, you have to keep your eye on the point and you have to
stay oriented. They aren't easy to do well.
This means you're not looking at your instruments much. You have to
constantly adjust your bank angle and this means you are constantly
adjusting the back pressure on your stick.
It's an introduction to a type of handling that is fluid and intuitive,
rather than stodgy and numbers based.
It also gives an essential awareness of how the airplane is behaving in
regard to it's track over the ground, which is indespensible when you
are manuevering low, as in a circuit, for instance. It also comes in
extremely handy when you're modeling ground track in your head flying
instruments.


Bertie

Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
There's a really cool one called eights on pylons. In those, you have to
pick two pylons and do a figure of eight around them. The wind is
blowing frm one pylon to the other.
But in these the bank angle is constant as you make the round part of
the eights. So, you have to adjust your speed around the figure to make
the groundspeed constant all the way around. You aren;'t allowed to
touch the throttle though, which means you climb and dive around the
figure to do that.
That's a commercial manuever.

Again, sounds like a good exercise in control, but I'm not sure I see the
practical applications. I suppose any 'better' control can only be good.
Trying to think of a similar manoevre you do on a driving test that has
little real world application. Reversing around a corner perhaps (we do this
in the UK)

Did you get it right though?

Haven't tried it. Maybe I'll give it a go on the sim.

(big grin implied there by the way!)

The theory is one thing. Doing them is another. Remember you have to
hold altitude, you have to keep your eye on the point and you have to
stay oriented. They aren't easy to do well.
This means you're not looking at your instruments much. You have to
constantly adjust your bank angle and this means you are constantly
adjusting the back pressure on your stick.
It's an introduction to a type of handling that is fluid and intuitive,
rather than stodgy and numbers based.
It also gives an essential awareness of how the airplane is behaving in
regard to it's track over the ground, which is indespensible when you
are manuevering low, as in a circuit, for instance. It also comes in
extremely handy when you're modeling ground track in your head flying
instruments.

Like I said above, I guess any increase in your ability to control the plane
and make adjustments based on the effect of wind can only be good. Perhaps
I'll try to give it a go when I finally get to do some more flying.

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote:
Hi,

In article ,
Bertie the wrote:
Well, I'll give you an example.. Turns around a point.

That was one of the ones I could think of. The other one I've read about is
'S' turns about a line feature like a road.

This is just one example, but it's he best.
Ponder this for a while. If you get it right you'll be one of a tiny
minority that does when introduced to it.
Then take it to your instructor and ask him. I will put good money on him
getting it wrong.

While I think I can get my head around what would need to be done to
maintain it, the actual practice is likely to be somewhat different
obviously!

While I can see that it's useful, I'm not sure I see why you'd necessarily
be a worse pilot never having done it.

Again, comments coming from a somewhat naive PPL student, so not
contradicting you, just trying to understand for my own benefit.

Where this turning stuff practice comes in handy is in being able to
keep your pattern ground track where it is supposed to be when the winds
blow without having to think about it a lot.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder writes:

I love how you equate getting a job as going to an extreme.

I don't. However, getting a job just to pay for one specific thing that isn't
a necessity of life is quite an extreme, and requires strong motivation.


You'd probably be MUCH better off had your parents made you get a job
for one particular thing that you wanted when you were young.

Hi,

In article ,
wrote:
Where this turning stuff practice comes in handy is in being able to
keep your pattern ground track where it is supposed to be when the winds
blow without having to think about it a lot.

I guess so. That's the sort of thing I was obviously doing 'subconsciously'
when I moved into the circuit (unless my circuits were all completely the
wrong shape!).

Andy