allowing guns in cockpits

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 3, 4:26 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Jan 2, 9:32 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, "Private" wrote:
allowing guns in cockpits
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
It really doesn't make much difference if the airlines they work for
don't allow guns in the cockpit.
-Robert
The airlines have too. This article was not terribly accurate (Look at
the source).
FB

There was a time that pilots were required to carry guns (if there was
mail on board). Someone had the common sense to know that people won't
try to steal the mail if they know that the pilots may shoot back. I
guess we've lost that reason because today we assume everyone is too
stupid to own a gun or buy a car, etc and we look to the gov't to
provide our personal security.

The sad part is that our liberal government and society today places
less value on human life than our forefathers placed on the mail.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
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tim wrote:
On Jan 9, 2:55 pm, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-01-09, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I'm not a bleeding heart . I have a gun and I would use it if I had
to. but arming every second asshole on the streets is not a way to
stem violent crime.
Why not? An armed society is a polite society.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC
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that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff
athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Guy's

What the......

homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants UK = 2.03 and US =
5.6....very polite

You need to do a little more homework.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html



I've seen the list before,.


Get to grips with this

http://www.reading.org/publications/...592/index.html

And I'll move you on to some Dr Suess.


Bertie

Matt Whiting wrote in news:yLehj.1416$2n4.31752
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jan 3, 4:26 am, "F. Baum" wrote:
On Jan 2, 9:32 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, "Private" wrote:
allowing guns in cockpits
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
It really doesn't make much difference if the airlines they work for
don't allow guns in the cockpit.
-Robert
The airlines have too. This article was not terribly accurate (Look at
the source).
FB

There was a time that pilots were required to carry guns (if there was
mail on board). Someone had the common sense to know that people won't
try to steal the mail if they know that the pilots may shoot back. I
guess we've lost that reason because today we assume everyone is too
stupid to own a gun or buy a car, etc and we look to the gov't to
provide our personal security.

The sad part is that our liberal government and society today places
less value on human life than our forefathers placed on the mail.


Yeah, right.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
I don't see why Bertie isn't more forthcoming either. I mean what's
the harm? We all know everyone here is sane and decent. It's not like
anyone has ever tracked someone down in real life that they had a
disagreement with that started on Usenet - right? ....


Well, for one thing I've left a string of ****ed of nazis in my wake,
some of whom are known for their fondness for going RL.

I've heard of a few sad cases where people went after others in real life.
Such as calling their employers and getting them in trouble to see if they
could get them fired, among other nasty non-violent actions.

And then I also ****ed off New Zealand..

Hopefully you learned you should never **** off kids. If you must, next
time consider attacking Old Zealand instead. It's more mature and doesn't
take itself so seriously (much). Besides, like old geezers everywhere it
has no punch left and you can always outrun it.

sean trost wrote in news:47857E61.9030804
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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On Jan 8, 12:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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On Jan 3, 4:13 am, Denny wrote:
On Jan 2, 11:32 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, "Private" wrote:
allowing guns in cockpits
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
It really doesn't make much difference if the airlines they work
for don't allow guns in the cockpit.
-Robert
On my airline the passengers are expected to provide their own
gun
and bottle, because the pilot doesn't share...
Call me crazy but I'm still of the believe that if good, honest
citizens were allowed to carry guns criminals would not feel so
empowered to comment the types of weapons crimes we see today.
When
a city passes a law that guarantees that good citizens will not
have guns the criminals get a free pass. I know some liberal who
has never touched a gun before will find this offensive but the
truth isn't always pretty.
Well, I've touched more than a few guns and still own one, but I
think you're wrong.I've also been in some parts of the world where
guns are more
commonplace ( well,. more visible) than in the US and they are very
very dangerous places indeed. They also have death penalty laws for
just about everything and all that appears to do is ensure that any
crime is a matter
of life or death for the perpetrator thus giving him nothing to
lose
by kicking it up a notch. I'm no bleeding heart, BTW. I only want
what works.

I saw a saying the other day that went something like this "to say
that guns kill people is like saying pencils cause misspelling".

Well, it was more the laws I was addressing. The high availability of
guns was the problem there, but the ferociously high violent crime
rate
( not as high as the US, but close) also involved machetes and
knives.
The laws were so brutal that life became very cheap and it's only
getting worse.


Bertie
yes but the answer is not with guns or laws. But education.


Can't argue with that.

If more people could read there would be far fewer fjukwits around.

Bertie

sean trost wrote in news:47857E72.5090705
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
news:80448c29-a435-4009-b96a-40db20a46f73
@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

On Jan 8, 12:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
news:0fea4faf-0ee7-4edb-bd8f-
:





On Jan 3, 4:13 am, Denny wrote:
On Jan 2, 11:32 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, "Private" wrote:
allowing guns in cockpits
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647
It really doesn't make much difference if the airlines they work
for don't allow guns in the cockpit.
-Robert
On my airline the passengers are expected to provide their own
gun
and bottle, because the pilot doesn't share...
Call me crazy but I'm still of the believe that if good, honest
citizens were allowed to carry guns criminals would not feel so
empowered to comment the types of weapons crimes we see today.
When
a city passes a law that guarantees that good citizens will not
have guns the criminals get a free pass. I know some liberal who
has never touched a gun before will find this offensive but the
truth isn't always pretty.
Well, I've touched more than a few guns and still own one, but I
think you're wrong.I've also been in some parts of the world where
guns are more
commonplace ( well,. more visible) than in the US and they are very
very dangerous places indeed. They also have death penalty laws for
just about everything and all that appears to do is ensure that any
crime is a matter
of life or death for the perpetrator thus giving him nothing to
lose
by kicking it up a notch. I'm no bleeding heart, BTW. I only want
what works.

I saw a saying the other day that went something like this "to say
that guns kill people is like saying pencils cause misspelling".

Well, it was more the laws I was addressing. The high availability of
guns was the problem there, but the ferociously high violent crime
rate
( not as high as the US, but close) also involved machetes and
knives.
The laws were so brutal that life became very cheap and it's only
getting worse.


Bertie
yes but the answer is not with guns or laws. But education.


Yes, you said

Bertie

Jim Logajan wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
I don't see why Bertie isn't more forthcoming either. I mean what's
the harm? We all know everyone here is sane and decent. It's not
like anyone has ever tracked someone down in real life that they had
a disagreement with that started on Usenet - right? ....


Well, for one thing I've left a string of ****ed of nazis in my wake,
some of whom are known for their fondness for going RL.

I've heard of a few sad cases where people went after others in real
life. Such as calling their employers and getting them in trouble to
see if they could get them fired, among other nasty non-violent
actions.

Oh, the baby nazis burned a cross into another guy's lawn. It was before my
time in that group, but they thought I was him after that. I still pull
their tails now and again.

And then I also ****ed off New Zealand..

Hopefully you learned you should never **** off kids. If you must,
next time consider attacking Old Zealand instead. It's more mature and
doesn't take itself so seriously (much). Besides, like old geezers
everywhere it has no punch left and you can always outrun it.

It wasn't too hard to keep them at bay. It was pretty funny really. Made
the papers and there were politicians invovled as well.

Oh yeah, and under another name I helped force an aviation issue in the
Brtish Parliament. no ****.

Bertie

"John Godwin" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in

m:

You can't argue with irrational people, you can only allow
them to walk the streets mumbling to themselves and just hope they
don't gain political power.

Is that why Senator Diane Feinstein (anti-gun proponent) has a CCW
Permit?
Her and quite a few other anti-gun pols...not to mention several dozen
(hundred) Hollyweird celebrities.

"Oh, that's for other people!" - Avid anti-gunner Jane Fonda, on being asked
why (when filing a police report when her home was burglarized of many guns)
SHE had so many guns including many restricted weapons.

Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world. Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill? And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.
Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.


Call me crazy but I'm still of the believe that if good, honest
citizens were allowed to carry guns criminals would not feel so
empowered to comment the types of weapons crimes we see today. When a
city passes a law that guarantees that good citizens will not have
guns the criminals get a free pass. I know some liberal who has never
touched a gun before will find this offensive but the truth isn't
always pretty.

-Robert

wrote:
Its hard to say... In Singapore, owning firearms is a capital offense
punishable by death and it is probably the safest country in the
world. Their thinking is quite logical because why would you want to
own a gun other than to kill? And so they see no point in letting a
person with a gun live. Gun control doesn't always have to be about
giving a free pass to criminals.
Japan is another extremely safe country where guns are strictly
controlled without the harsh penalties of Singapore. Education,
culture, laws etc all play a role in making a country safe. Would
Japan be just as safe if everybody owned a gun? Its possible but
hardly worth the experiment.


Criminals are actually treated like criminals in those countries.
And you're right... execution and long prison terms in very
unpleasant conditions are the penalties for crime. (Do they really
chop your hand off for stealing in some Arab countries?)

Anyway... in contrast, criminals in the US are coddled with
free health care... TV sets... probably live better than most
hard working people in Asian countries. Inmates get to sue their
victims and even the state if they don't like their conditions.
Hillary has even proposed that criminals should be able to vote.

As long as our criminal justice system is the way it is
people need and deserve a countermeasure... if they so choose.