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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
"Jay Maynard" wrote There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it. Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks. -- Jim in NC |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it. Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks. So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Florida Residency Not Florida Landing Creates Use Taxability
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:37:39 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
WJRFlyBoy wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:17:16 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder wrote: There is no true example of say a pilot from Arkansas purchasing a plane in FL or Arkansas and then that pilot taking a vacation to FL and getting taxed. According to FDOR, they have and will continue to do just that. FYI, you don't have to bring the aircraft to FL either. http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/s...ft_dealer.html Under most conditions, use tax is due on aircraft brought into Florida within 6 months from the date of purchase. *However, use tax may be immediately due if any of the following conditions are met:* * The aircraft is owned by a Florida resident. * The aircraft is owned by a corporation and used by a corporate officer or director who is a Florida resident. * The aircraft is owned by a corporate entity that has an individual vested with authority to participate in the management, direction, or control of the entity's affairs who is a resident of or makes his or her permanent residence in this state. * The aircraft is owned by a person, corporation, limited liability company, partnership, joint adventure, association, syndicate, business trust, trust, estate, or other form of artificial entity that is not engaged in Florida in any employment, trade, business, or profession in which the aircraft will be used. I think here is the problem. The you are looking at is a page designed for Florida aircraft brokers and dealers and is written in such a way as to assume that that is who is reading it Gig, I am aware of what pages I am reading, I have a notebook of printed material as a reference. On top of that, I am purchasing a personal and a business plane, will be attending SnF as it is "up the street" from me. I have a lot at stake and being wrong isn't a financial option. Bottom line: aviation accounting and counsel, FDOR, AOPA and EAA have all expressed the same thing. The jeopardy is there, it is real and the chances of enforcement are higher than ever. That's it. |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:46:51 -0400, Morgans wrote:
Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks. -- Jim in NC ¡§Generally, please know that the focus of the Florida Department of Revenue¡¦s use tax enforcement activities is on the aircraft with a significant connection to Florida, not nonresidents with no Florida connection only here on a temporary basis, and we will not be at Sun ¡¦n Fun; we do not use ¡¥fly-ins¡¦ as enforcement activities,¡¨ said George Hamm, the Department of Revenue¡¦s chief assistant general counsel. http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
Morgans wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it. Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks. And thus no lynchings... -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Apr 2, 5:53*pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote: "Jay Maynard" wrote There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it. *Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. *None. *Zip. *Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. *No Ramp Checks. So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) There is a pretty simple solution if you are this worried ,stay home!!! Not one word of this was murmured at the LSA Expo in January. The main pot stirrer in this episode has a problem with SnF and not the Sebring show at least so far. Frank M.Hitlaw at my Swecret World Hq |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:53:29 GMT, Jay Maynard
wrote: On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote: "Jay Maynard" wrote There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it. Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's inquiry? They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada. No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks. So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one. I've been generally staying out of this one, but I've got a few comments here. 1. Yes, if a government agency (even the IRS) put out a press release saying "We won't do 'X' next month," (where 'X' is a very specific action), I believe they won't. The mainstream media gets REAL excited when they catch government reps in a bald-faced lie, and doing so is considered a CLM among government press agents. Dodge, equivocate, yes, but saying "We won't do 'X' next month" is pretty definitive. 2. I further believe the Florida tax folks in this case, as tourism is a major Florida industry. I don't think the state and local governments would stand for it if the tax department decided to disrupt a major event that brings hundreds of thousands of well-heeled individuals to the state every year. 3. EAA and AOPA's messages are a reaction is due to their *member's* concerns, not an indicator as to how serious the threat to Sun-N-Fun really was. If the subject is at least *possible*, they're going to respond to it if enough of their members ask. And as AvWeb has pointed out, Florida is not the first state to institute this sort of policy. Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent. Ron Wanttaja |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On 2008-04-03, wrote:
There is a pretty simple solution if you are this worried ,stay home!!! Not one word of this was murmured at the LSA Expo in January. The main pot stirrer in this episode has a problem with SnF and not the Sebring show at least so far. There are at least two "main pot stirrers", and Phil Boyer doesn't have a problem with Sun n Fun, AFAIK. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
In article , Ron Wanttaja says...
Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent. What tax lien was that?? It's true that when ever he critizes a company or some agency he's got a dog in the fight. He's never gone after anyone unless they've crossed him then he uses the power of the press.Thank God for the Internet. Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On 2008-04-03, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
3. EAA and AOPA's messages are a reaction is due to their *member's* concerns, not an indicator as to how serious the threat to Sun-N-Fun really was. If the subject is at least *possible*, they're going to respond to it if enough of their members ask. And as AvWeb has pointed out, Florida is not the first state to institute this sort of policy. Indeed. OTOH, both organizations are going to try to debunk it before publishing. They didn't, or else they'd have said so. Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent. Undoubtedly. That doesn't make it automatically wrong, as several folks here suggest. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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