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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
"John Doe" wrote in message nk.net... "Dave Stadt" wrote in message news "John Doe" wrote in message ink.net... I doubt it. Are the UAV's going to swoop down and gather up the illegals? By the time a UAV spots something and Border Patrol gets there the illegals are long gone. Or are you saying the UAV's can discern between normal everyday illegals and terrorist? If so I would like to hear more. How you figure? illegals crossing the border are going to outrun a UAV circling overhead? This I gotta see. So the UAV sees them, now what? The Border Patrol stationed 25 miles away dashes out and catches them. I doubt it. Isn't it true the Border Patrol or whomever doesn't have the resources to detain and return illegals and in fact leaves most of them go inside this country (US of A)? Soooooo what are the UAVs going to accomplish other than taking pictures of millions illegally crossing the border. At best it is a multi-million dollar AN3 bolt in a 12 inch hole. What do you think the Border Patrol does? Just stroll down the road and if they happen to see an illegal, they arrest them? They've been dashing out to locations tripped by sensors for years to catch illegals. And they catch what? Maybe a couple of percent? Many of those are turned lose on US soil. So what if the UAV can spot them for 30 hours, enough people are simply not available to dash out as you say and apprehend. UAVs are not a solution. |
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Here, esp. on the Spanish border (better: the base in North Africa),
Europe has a similar problem with illegal immigrants. I don't see a long term solution coming up. We can't hide behind our fences forever. It's not "hiding behind a fence" to expect immigrants to follow proper procedures. No country can long survive an invasion -- peaceful or otherwise -- and that's what has happened to America. We're not talking thousands, or even hundreds of thousands -- we're talking MILLIONS of people. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
... On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:57:08 -0500, Bob Noel wrote in :: In article , Larry Dighera wrote: Where is the up-side of domestic UAV operations? do you equate UAV operations with only military use? In my opinion, the only justification for removing the pilot from the aircraft is if the mission is too dangerous to risk human life. Or too boring... Jay B |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:29:07 GMT, "John Doe"
wrote in . net:: Total politics. This is so overkill for border patrol it makes me sick. Talk about fraud, waste and abuse of taxpayer money. Well, that's kind of the way I see it also. :-) |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:43:46 GMT, "John Doe"
wrote in et:: Is an LAPD helicopter with the same camera on board as the UAV now doing domestic spying? It's possible for that helo to be used for rescue and other constructive purposes, unlike a UAV whose mission profile is solely surveillance and weapons delivery. Please. Don't be surprised if in 5-10 years every metro police department has transitioned from helicopters to UAVs. The world is rapidly becoming a rather disappointing environment. :-( |
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In article , Martin Hotze
wrote: this has nothing to do with it. most of those illegals don't have the financial means to follow the rules. ????? -- Bob Noel goodness - the NFL officials are making the NHL officials look like geniuses |
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"John Keeney" wrote in message oups.com... Answer a question for me: is this a little bitty slow UAV that's hard to see from any kind of distance or one of the larger, faster ones that can run a light plane down from behind where the pilot couldn't see it coming? We're talking about these or something very close. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/predator/ |
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Martin Hotze wrote:
this has nothing to do with it. most of those illegals don't have the financial means to follow the rules. Not our problem. still: you/we can't hide behind a fence forever and just go on building an even higher fence. You can only try to minimize the social problems on both sides (esp on the other side) of the fence. Exactly! Ron Lee |
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George Patterson wrote:
John Keeney wrote: Answer a question for me: is this a little bitty slow UAV that's hard to see from any kind of distance or one of the larger, faster ones that can run a light plane down from behind where the pilot couldn't see it coming? Someone claimed that a 182 wouldn't be able to carry all the gear that this thing does. That would argue for the larger aircraft. Well, one of the more favored UAVs is the size of the 737... |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:01:29 GMT, Dave S THe only practical gripe that I could agree with is that this is a "slippery slope" regarding airspace grabs via the TFR/"PFR" process... otherwise, the existing structure, design and location of this particular TFR doesnt create much of a problem (when compared to the ADIZ, MickeyMouse TFR's, 60 mile Presidential no-fly zones, and such. So you feel that operating a UAV on this border patrol mission at a cost that exceeds that of operating a C-182 by several orders of magnitude is not worth griping about? Why is a UAV the platform of choice in this mission? It's technology is unnecessary ill suited to the mission; the money is better spent on ground agents and deportation funding. There is no rational justification for using UAVs, in my opinion. It's just a way for the Bush administration to get headlines and pander to General Atomics's business interest without materially affecting the influx of illegals which might dry up the cheap labor pool. Larry -- do we know what the mission really is? I think we're all assuming it's border patrol for drugs and/or illegal immigrants. If you take a look at the MOA/R/A areas down there, the TFR closes a small gap between the Fuzzy MOA and the Restricted areas around sierra Vista. This now creates a complete "wall" along the entire AZ and NM border. I think the TFR was the quickest and simplest approach to the border, whereas creating a new MOA or R area would require public comment and lots of time. |
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