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The war on terror is being fought in Iraq. Why can't you get that?
I certainly don't know that -just- because you and that near moron George Bush Jr. say it. If we seek accuracy, you might begin by noting the George W. Bush is not a "Jr." (But he does have a Bachelor's from Yale and an MBA from Harvard.) That's odd, itsn't it? George Herbert Walker Bush and George Walker Bush? Is that right? So he's not styled as a Junior? Thanks for the correction. I know that the former SecNav James Webb have said that it is a strategic blunder, and General Zinni says it was a strategic blunder, and many other jefes of national policy experience say that. Just because that moron Bush says it, doesn't make it so. That's the first lesson you need to learn in order to shrug off your Orwellian reliance on someone elses' unsupported opinion. And, using your rationale, just becasue Webb and Zinni say it doesn't make it so either. So I'm reduced to accepting your analysis or theirs. Now, I could accept Rummy and Junior's analysis, and that would, for weight, surely counter a retired 4 star and a guy who was SecDef 15 years ago. The fly in the buttermilk is that all the jefes currently in power, in my judgment, have shown they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. As I've indicated on several occasions, I can decide for myself. I was pushing the "Bush administration actions in Iraq a disaster" well before General Zinni went public. To General Zinni's great credit, he said today on CCN that he couldn't vote for Bush as things stand now -- Bush has to fire Rumsfeld and others first. Now, as I've said, I don't need a general to tell me that Iraq is a ****ing mess. All I need do is note that the head of the Iraqi Governing Counsel was blown up --right outside-- the US enclave to get a glimmer that things are not going right. You can do that too. And, JFK was killed in downtown Dallas in the middle of a police motorcade. What's your point? My point would be that 135,000 US soldiers weren't deployed around Dealy Plaza and hadn't been trying to pacify the place for over a year before JFK arrived. I -know- you can make these inferences. You can also -- "look ma, no hands!" make your own determination that when the attourney general says we can expect a major terrorist act in this country before the election, that invading Iraq and incurring 5,000 casualties didn't -exactly- bring about the outcome we thought it would. And, had we not invaded Iraq we would not have a major terrorist threat today? Seems like 9/11 occured prior to the invasion of Iraq as well as Khobar, Cole, Beirut, etc. We would probably still have a terrorist threat, sure. We'd also have 5,000 more troops with which to fight it (as many as half the wounded have rerturned to duty I know, but the point remains). What would you do differently to relieve the terrorist threat?? I dunno. I was for the war. Imagine my surprise that the Bush administration had no plan beyond rolling some tanks up to Baghdad. One thing that might be a good start would be to slice off the top leaders like General Marshall did after he was named Chief of Staff in 1940. Get rid of all that deadwood at the top, cancel all the turf battles and get some people in there who want to crush these sorry Islamic militants like so many bugs. Walt |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message ... I certainly don't know that - That's because you're uninformed. |
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"Vaughn" wrote in message ... Finally I've got it! No you don't. Since actual terrorists are sort of hard to find, Iraq is some sort of a surrogate for the real thing; a whipping boy so to speak. But if we can go anywhere we want to fight this war on terror, (even if it makes no sense) then why not choose some place more convenient than Iraq? How about: Cuba? Canada? Chicago? We are fighting terrorists in Iraq. |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
On 30 May 2004 12:27:45 GMT, (WalterM140) wrote: I thought Reagan a very bad president also. I don't think he ever made a tough decision. And like Bush, he was a puppet of his handlers. The one thing he can claim is egging his staff on into what became Iran-Contra, while claiming he would never negociate with terrorists. Walt Your opinion, is of course, your's. Mine too. But, might you be willing to consider the greatest tax cut since JFK as an achievment? Economic conditions in the early 1960s were quite different. Low inflation, low growth, small deficits, much excess capacity in the economy. The early 1980s saw large deficits and high inflation. Different problems require different solutions. Or, maybe the reduction of Carter's 21% annual inflation and 18% interest rates in less than two years to a more realistic 6% inflation and 10.5% interest as worthwhile? Richard Nixon imposed wage/price controls in August of 1971 thereby fostering shortages and inflationary expectations. He then bungled relations with OPEC and IRAN causing a series of supply-side oil shocks. It was Gerald Ford who gave us the WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons as the economy spiraled out of control. The notion that Carter created stagflation is absurd. His policies provided the ultimate remedies. Maybe the destruction of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union might be good things? Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Even as Reagan and the chicken hawks prattled on about the red menace and squandered treasure on the B1B, battleships, and Star Wars, the Russian economy declined to the point that its GNP was less than Italy's. If Bill Casey's CIA had been focused on gathering and analyzing intelligence rather than mining the harbors, we could have saved a lot of money--however, since the Reaganauts put the cost off on to future generations, why should you care? You might even want to consider the economic theories of Laffer It was the high interest policy of Paul Volcker (a Carter appointment) that brought down inflation. When the recovery finally happened, it was demand driven, not supply-side. It's no coincidence that as Reagan became more addled by Alzheimer's he became enamored with kookier ideas. The Laffer Curve is about as realistic as the death rays that Reagan imagined could zap incoming warheads. --the idea that a reduction in tax rates can lead to an increase in tax revenue because the money in consumer's hands gets spent to create demand for goods and services--a better choice than socialistic redistribution of wealth in my opinion, but then I work for a living. And, while Iran-Contra was certainly questionable, A felony's a felony. you might consider that it was the result of the Congress first putting anti-communist forces in the field in Nicaragua and then cutting the funds for their support after they are in harm's way. While I freely agree that ends should not justify means, it was a solution to a problem. It was a series of crimes. Have you noticed that while everyone says, "we never negotiate with terrorists", that the first individual that shows up in a terrorist hostage situtation is the negotiator? Ronald Reagan traded arms for hostages after complaining about European allies conducting conventional trade. George Shultz, hardly a liberal, claims to have told Reagan to his face that he traded arms for hostages. Why did Reagan deny it? Was he a fool or a knave? Cheers --mike Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"Mike Dargan" wrote in message news:6Dxuc.22383$eY2.3247@attbi_s02... Richard Nixon imposed wage/price controls in August of 1971 thereby fostering shortages and inflationary expectations. He then bungled relations with OPEC and IRAN causing a series of supply-side oil shocks. It was Gerald Ford who gave us the WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons as the economy spiraled out of control. The notion that Carter created stagflation is absurd. His policies provided the ultimate remedies. What policies were those? |
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Richard Nixon imposed wage/price controls in August of 1971 thereby
fostering shortages and inflationary expectations. He then bungled relations with OPEC and IRAN causing a series of supply-side oil shocks. It was Gerald Ford who gave us the WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons as the economy spiraled out of Nixon made also a capital mistake and scrapped Bretton Woods. That was a serious blow to the plans of Global Financial Power so Nixon had to pay the price. |
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We are fighting terrorists in Iraq.
Really? I guess US is trying to build 21st century version of Atlantic Wall,this time stretching from Cyprus to Afghanistan. But the question is:Will the new Atlantic wall be more effective than the original? |
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Denyav wrote:
Richard Nixon imposed wage/price controls in August of 1971 thereby fostering shortages and inflationary expectations. He then bungled relations with OPEC and IRAN causing a series of supply-side oil shocks. It was Gerald Ford who gave us the WIN (Whip Inflation Now) buttons as the economy spiraled out of Nixon made also a capital mistake and scrapped Bretton Woods. That was a serious blow to the plans of Global Financial Power so Nixon had to pay the price. Interestng point. However, its significance is probably lost on the yahoos. They probably think Bretton Woods is a real estate development on Long Island. Oddly, despite my disparaging comments about Nixon, his record on civil rights and the environment was quite good. He appointed quite a few minorities and women and had much to do with the EPA and OSHA. He started out with a couple of Supreme Court nominations that were clinkers (Haynesworth and Carswell!) but then gave us the core of the Burger Court which turned out surprisingly well. Some say he was the last liberal President. Too bad he had to be so paranoid. Cheers --mike |
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"Denyav" wrote in message ... Really? Really. |
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