Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?

Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John
Kerry?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 8/29/2004 6:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: OxkYc.15586$ni.2436@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

Yep, hid out as a jet pilot. For more than 4 months too.


Not much of a jet. A second rate one at that and not fit for combat. Kerry
went to war. I went to war. where the hell was Bush? Behind his daddy's apron
strings?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

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(ArtKramr) writes:
Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John
Kerry?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 8/29/2004 6:06 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: OxkYc.15586$ni.2436@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

Yep, hid out as a jet pilot. For more than 4 months too.


Not much of a jet. A second rate one at that and not fit for combat. Kerry
went to war. I went to war. where the hell was Bush? Behind his daddy's apron
strings?

Not fit for combat? Not according to the USAF, or, for that matter,
the Greeks and the Turks. The Deuce saw combat with all 3 Air
Forces. In fact, F-102s were on-station in Viet Nam and Thailand long
before anyone else was there. I know that I've posted the chronology
at ;east a half-dozen times in the past few years.

Your opinions are yours. But if you're going to make an argument,
please use facts. They work much better.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

From: GreyCloud
Date: 8/29/2004 1:42 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:



Ray Fischer wrote:

John Griffin wrote:

(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:

Warchild wrote in


Why would they
lie?

Because their personal animus towards John Kerry trumps the truth.

I don't suppose that it ever occurred to you that their personal
animus might be because of the things Kerry did?

He spoke the truth.

Some people don't like that.

"Jesus loves me, this I know; for the Bible tells me so."

You know Kerry spoke the truth, because The Democratic Party said so.


No, because US war crimes in S.E. Asia have been well documented from a
variety of sources.


Care to cite these sources, Ray?

The most notable was My Lai, but that was the exception rather than the rule.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"ArtKramr" wrote

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

Yep, hid out as a jet pilot. For more than 4 months too.

Not much of a jet. A second rate one at that and not fit for combat.

We built 900 of them for some reason. Maybe we should have checked
with you first?

Pete Stickney wrote:

Your opinions are yours. But if you're going to make an argument,
please use facts.

The problem is; Art doesn't know *any* facts outside of his single B-26 in the
ETO between 1943 and 1945. Everything before and after is a void.

Because of how embarrassed I've been of Art, I've left instructions with my
children to kill me in the event I wind up a babbling hypocrit with nothing but
insults for anyone not serving during my time


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 29 Aug 2004 20:35:39 -0400, BOB SD wrote:

Gactimus wrote in :

BOB wrote in :

Gactimus wrote in
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BOB SD wrote in :

Gactimus wrote in
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Elmo wrote in
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If Kerry was awarded five or six medals that Republicans now claim
he didn't deserve

What Republicans?

All of them.

Names and cites please.

Can't your read?

Obviously you can't. Your lack of specific names and cites is noted.

Your ignorance and failure to comprehend a simple statement is also noted.

your failure to post anything relevant is noted.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Not much of a jet. A second rate one at that and not fit for combat.


The F-102A was in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush joined the TANG.

Nate Frisch wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Elmo" wrote in message
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The Swift Boat Veterans are eye witnesses who were there.


Hundreds of yards from the action.



Who says they were hundreds of yards away?

Which is within visual range thus making them eye witnesses who were
there.

Hundreds of yards away is not close enough to say where the bullets
are hitting. At night you could get a good idea where they are coming
from. Heck just try sighting on a target two hundred yards away
without a scope.


If bullets were hitting,then SOMEONE ought to have gotten wounded.
Muzzle flashes would be seen.



Those who were there say otherwise.


The Swift Boat Veterans ARE those that were there.


While it is true they were in Vietnam. The evidence is pretty strong
they weren't very close to Kerry.


Swift Boats did not go out singly,they went in groups.
When docked,they all lived together,ate together.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

On 29 Aug 2004 11:58:02 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

And where was Edwards?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John
Kerry?
From: Bob
Date: 8/30/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On 29 Aug 2004 11:58:02 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Kerry went to war. Bush hid in Texas then disapeared

And where was Edwards?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


In high school.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer