NATCA Going Down in Flames

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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I'm betting that dress codes are in the employee handbook.
Now the management have decided to enforce it.


How much are you willing to wager?

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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It seems that NATCA did not have the guts to talk with their feet on their
new contract that was forced down their throat. IIRC Prez Billy called
their
bluff back in the early 90s contract negotiation also.

Kind of seems like a profession where there is only one employer... Does
your run of the mill controller really have any other job opportunities? I
suspect that senior management would have other opportunities in that they
can shuffle papers just about anywhere, but what about the guys who are
actually doing the work?

Kind of seems like a profession where there is only one employer... Does
your run of the mill controller really have any other job opportunities?
I
suspect that senior management would have other opportunities in that they
can shuffle papers just about anywhere, but what about the guys who are
actually doing the work?


There are non federal control towers. There are also other professions, ever
heard of cross training?

BT

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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There are also other professions, ever
heard of cross training?

Of course that is a *possibility*, but if someone has spent a considerable
amount of time getting good at some particular profession, it's not exactly
reasonable to assume that they will want to just switch and go to the bottom
of the ladder again...

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:09:05 GMT, "Grumman-581"
wrote:

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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There are also other professions, ever
heard of cross training?

Of course that is a *possibility*, but if someone has spent a considerable
amount of time getting good at some particular profession, it's not exactly
reasonable to assume that they will want to just switch and go to the bottom
of the ladder again...

Oh..You mean like pilots.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 4 Sep 2006 05:04:28 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

As of today, the FAA has imposed a dress code on their employees,
requiring that they (*gasp!*) NOT where flip-flops and cut-offs to
work! Amazingly, believe it or not, these employees are now actually
going to be required to wear (*Oh-mi-God*) DRESS PANTS and a DRESS
SHIRT to work!

In the face of this terrible affront, the controller's union, NATCA,
has decided to do the following, quoted from AvWeb:
************************************************* ************************************************
What's A Union To Do?
While the battle inside the towers and centers may (to outsiders) have
its whimsical side, the practical impact of the new regime could be
significant. NATCA appears determined to fight each and every violation
of the new rules cited by management. In a memo to controllers at a
major center (we do know which one), union leaders are urging members
to exercise their rights to the letter. "If a supervisor tries to talk
with you regarding the way your are dressed, it constitutes a formal
meeting," the memo reads. "Stop the conversation immediately and ask
for a union representative. The same approach should be used on any
other changes in your working conditions, ask for a rep immediately.
The Agency has a legal obligation to comply." But the memo also says
the overall battle won't be won by individual members discussing their
fashion challenges. "One person alone can not change the course the
agency has decided to take," the memo says. "However, collectively we
can unpave their course and start a new road. I and the rest of your
elected leaders will need your help now more than ever."
************************************************* ************************************************
Unbelievable! They're actually going to fight against their employer
for dictating what they must wear to work... Apparently their right to
look like bums in a professional setting has been violated, and the
union is going on the offensive!

I was a computer jock. You know the ones who wore "casual" clothes
all the time. Every one else wore suites to oficial meetings. Our
group would come in wearing sweats, t-shirts, and even ... well...
never mind. Come in to work at 10:00 when every one else comes in at
7:00. However, I like most of the others in the group would go home
early to make up for coming in late.

I say, good for them! I don't trust any orginization that gives the
workers a dress code.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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On 4 Sep 2006 05:04:28 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote:


I say, good for them! I don't trust any orginization that gives the
workers a dress code.

Small wonder the IT field is now over in Asia.



Next time you get waited on by some scraggy guy with tattoos, body piercing
and spiked hair, don't complain.

Next time you get waited on by

Serving food is different from giving vectors or writing code.

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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Small wonder the IT field is now over in Asia.

No, it's going over there because the upper level managers who make these
sorts of decisions have no technical knowledge whatsoever... They think
entirely of headcount and if they can get two or three foreign heads for the
cost of one domestic head, they'll do it... They don't understand that you
are basically getting heads who can do little more than answer the ****in'
phone (and not all that well, even at that)...

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 05:20:43 GMT, "Grumman-581"
wrote:

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...
Small wonder the IT field is now over in Asia.

No, it's going over there because the upper level managers who make these
sorts of decisions have no technical knowledge whatsoever... They think
entirely of headcount and if they can get two or three foreign heads for the
cost of one domestic head, they'll do it... They don't understand that you
are basically getting heads who can do little more than answer the ****in'
phone (and not all that well, even at that)...

To be fair there are a lot of good programmers in India. They come
over here to get their degrees and then go back home to work for
peanuts compared to what we were paid. OTOH that is a fortune compared
to others in the same country. And these programmers aren't the ones
answering the phone. Like here, the help departments are the newest
hires at the bottom of the totem pole. I sometimes think they are on
the help line to practice their English because I know I've gotten
some who had no idea as to what I'd been saying.

I don't know how many times I had to explain the one problem, but
finally the woman on the other end gave me step-by-step instructions
as to what I should do. She finally understood (I think) when I
explained I'd been trying to tell here I'd already done that.
Unfortunately I'd reached a point which was beyond her and I was
passed on to another person.

OTOH some of the worst companies to deal with are state side and will
happily... er... never mind. just read Gripe Line on Verizon.



Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com