Why GA is Dying

So, if it is a small airport, with no permanent TSA personnel, or security
guards in place, according to the airport watch program, it is up to the
citizen to question people's presence on the airport.

Yes. But in a manner that does not imply that people's presence on the
airport is unwelcome. I think that was the OP's point.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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There are many people out here on the security side of the coin deeply
involved with getting the security issue as under control as possible
with a minimal loss of individual freedoms.

I hope so, and it is not an easy task. But on my end I see things like
the DC ADIZ, shoe removal, metal detectors in schools, and broad wiretap
authority being accepted as a matter of course. It only needs to be in
place for five or ten years for our children, who grow up with it as a
natural part of the landscape, to consider it normal.

You do a dis-service to the people in security trying to make it better
when you assume that the only ones who understand the freedom issue are
those like you who endorse those who immediately "take on" security
people and rail on about their "rights" when approached while taking
pictures at an airport rather than responding in a spirit of cooperation.

I understand those who bristle when approached in a spirit of authority
rather than a spirit of cooperation.

You seem to believe that authority means loss of freedom.

It needen't (and authority is important for the preservation of freedom).
I am however =extremely= concerned about the unchecked spread of
authority, especially inasmuch as it impacts aviation, which it is doing.
I am also concerned when it makes unrelated impingement (such as the
demolition of Jay's runway) easier by eroding opposition in general.

Jose

You and I share more than you realize :-))
Dudley Henriques

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Well, some have more communist tendencies than others. I think Kyle is
right. This behavior was out of bounds and I'm glad he stepped in and
called them on it. If we let this crap continue, then the terrorists
really have won.

So this probably isn't the forum to mention that one sultry night when I was
in college, my girlfriend and I snuck out to the local podunk uncontrolled
airport and "borrowed" the cockpit of an old, mostly-dismantled Soviet
helicopter for about half an hour, is it?

Sometimes I wonder about myself in my younger years, but it usually ends up
being pointless and self-congratulatory.

If it's any consolation to the gods of aviation, there was no door, the
panel was mostly removed, we left no trace, and she was a stripper with a
mile-high fantasy and thing for aviation in general... After she graduated
from college she moved to Louisiana and went to work at an FBO to pay for
flying lessons, so, it all came around in its own time I suppose.

-c

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...

Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely...

Good stuff, Dave!

-c

Jim Logajan wrote:

Jose wrote:

Foreigners are not (and should not be) granted the same freedoms as
American Citizens when on American soil.


Does that mean they have no right to life or liberty?

Nice interpretation. He said the same freedoms, he didn't say they had
no freedoms.

Jose wrote:

So, if it is a small airport, with no permanent TSA personnel, or
security
guards in place, according to the airport watch program, it is up to the
citizen to question people's presence on the airport.


Yes. But in a manner that does not imply that people's presence on the
airport is unwelcome. I think that was the OP's point.

Yes, we wouldn't want you to feel bad. That would be terrible.

"Jose" wrote in message
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You just proved the point in this original case. The person taking the
pictures was asked to have his ID examined. Is that not the first step
in
determining if he was an US citizen?

I was about to reply under the assumption that it was the police doing
the asking, but I checked the OP and found I was confusing two different
posts. From the OP (Kyle's):

So, if it is a small airport, with no permanent TSA personnel, or security
guards in place, according to the airport watch program, it is up to the
citizen to question people's presence on the airport.
--
Jim in NC

Jose schrieb:

What problem do you have with my statement? There is no parallel
between yours and mine.

Yes, there's a lot of parallels. But if you don't see this yourself,
there's no use to try to explain it.

Stefan

Foreigners are not (and should not be) granted the same freedoms as
American Citizens when on American soil.

Does that mean they have no right to life or liberty? If they are murdered
does that mean the murderer need not be prosecuted?

No.

Are you perhaps confusing _services_ with _rights_?

No.

Jose
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You and I share more than you realize :-))

Actually, I think I realize it.

Jose
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