Why is Stealth So Important?

Do you find it a "hoot" that the Army also considers its senior warrnats to
be commissioned?

I would, if it's true.

Next thing you know, they'll be commissioning NCOs.

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Why shouldn't a
CWO be able to take a sworn statement from a troop as well as any other
commissioned officer?

Why shouldn't a sergeant? Or a private? Or a civilian?

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Whether it's a warrant or a commission doesn't matter nearly as
much as how well you lead...

My company commander in France was a major (well--it was a large
company!).

Like so many company- and field-grade officers in the 1950s, he had
run out his string and was about to be busted back to his top enlisted
rank. Fortunately for him, that had been was a warrant officer.

We also had in that company a sergeant who'd been a chaplain during
WWII, and who found life as an enlisted man preferable to life on the
outside.

Yet another case, a captain at Fort Bragg, was to have been RIFfed a
week or so before he finished the twenty years (whatever) that would
have enabled him to retire (when he did eventually retire) with a
captain's pay and status, rather than the sergeant he was about to
become. The captain checked into the hospital with some mysterious
heart flutter (whatever). He was a very popular man, and several of us
visited him there to wish him well. Of course there was nothing at all
wrong with him. It seems that the army wouldn't bust a hospitalized
man. Once he had passed the magic day, he meant to check out and take
his reduction like a man.

Warrants were very rare in the 1950s. I don't think I ever met a
warrant officer during my two years in the army. (The major of course
was shipped out to serve in another outfit.) Later, in Vietnam, I saw
bunches of them, usually driving helicopters.

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Subject: WO vs CWO [was: Why is Stealth So Important?]
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Date: 1/18/04 8:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
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I think it's a hoot that a navy *warrant* officer should be
commissioned, given that the

Thre is nothing about WW II that was a "hoot".



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Do you find it a "hoot" that the Army also considers its senior warrnats
to
be commissioned?

I would, if it's true.

Well, it is true, as you would know by now if you bothered to read the other
posts in this thread.


Next thing you know, they'll be commissioning NCOs.

Why?


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Why shouldn't a
CWO be able to take a sworn statement from a troop as well as any other
commissioned officer?

Why shouldn't a sergeant?

Because there is no need.

Or a private?

Ditto.

Or a civilian?

Actually, I think civilian personnel employed by the DoD in the proper
position can do so.

Brooks


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Cub Driver wrote:
Do you find it a "hoot" that the Army also considers its senior
warrnats to be commissioned?

I would, if it's true.

Dan:

Are you saying the information provided by DOD is incorrect? Two of us have
already posted this link, but it seems you did not bother to read it so I'll
post it again.

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/alma...as/officers.ht
ml

"The lowest ranking warrant officers serve under a warrant, but they receive
COMMISSIONS from the president upon promotion to chief warrant officer 2.
These COMMISSIONED WARRANT OFFICERS are direct representatives of the
president of the United States. They derive their authority from the same
source as commissioned officers but remain specialists, in contrast to
commissioned officers, who are generalists." [Emphasis addded.]

That should be clear enough. If not, there's the piece of US Code Justin
posted.

US Code Title 10, Sec.571:
(b) Appointments in the grade of regular warrant officer, W-1, shall be
made by warrant by the Secretary concerned. Appointments in regular chief
warrant officer grades shall be made by COMMISSION by the President.
[Emphasis added]

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Next thing you know, they'll be commissioning NCOs.

Why?

Why not? If a warrant officer can be a commissioned officer, so can
Top.

I notice that they're calling him "sir" these days. That used to get
you 20 push-ups in the U.S. Army.

A commissioned non-commissioned officer! That would be army-think at
its finest.

But really no more foolish than a commissioned warrant officer--a
warrant, after all, being by definition something less than a
commission.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Next thing you know, they'll be commissioning NCOs.

Why?

Why not? If a warrant officer can be a commissioned officer, so can
Top.

Why?


I notice that they're calling him "sir" these days. That used to get
you 20 push-ups in the U.S. Army.

Where did you get *that* from?


A commissioned non-commissioned officer! That would be army-think at
its finest.

But really no more foolish than a commissioned warrant officer--a
warrant, after all, being by definition something less than a
commission.

Gee, I guess we should have frozen military development about forty years
ago, huh? Would that have made you happier?

Brooks


all the best -- Dan Ford

Cub Driver wrote:

Next thing you know, they'll be commissioning NCOs.

Why?

Why not? If a warrant officer can be a commissioned officer, so can
Top.

I notice that they're calling him "sir" these days. That used to get
you 20 push-ups in the U.S. Army.

A commissioned non-commissioned officer! That would be army-think at
its finest.

But really no more foolish than a commissioned warrant officer--a
warrant, after all, being by definition something less than a
commission.

Sometime in the late 1950s, the US services
created the enlisted "supergrades", E-8 and E-9
- specifically for the purpose of eventually
doing away with the Warrant Officer grade.

It took more than a dozen years, but the USAF
did exactly that. (They could hang in until
retirement... but zero new ones were created.)

BTW - in the Kaiserslautern (Germany) Military
Community (headed by the Brigadier running the
86th TFG at Ramstein), we had LOTS of Army types
in the many base housing areas.

There were three sections of base housing: enlisted,
senior NCOs, and officer. My neighbor across the
apartment hall (in senior NCO housing) was an Army
CWO - and we both had very similar training, duties,
and responsibilites in our respective fields.

- John T. former MSgt, USAF