If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....

Jack wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote:

... the Air Force must also accept its fair share of
the blame since highly trained and well-paid Air Force Intelligence,
Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) specialists are heavily
involved with counterterrorism operations.

There was no lack of information available to the agencies which had the
direct responsibility for enforcement and apprehension. They simply failed
to follow through on what they already knew.

Lack of enforcement and apprehension is one thing, lack of airstrikes
against Taliban and Al-Quida training camps is an entirely different
thing.

The USAF has no culpability such as you describe.

That's just your opinion (and you do know what they say about
opinions?)

From: Mike Marron
Date: 3/1/2004 12:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

George Ruch wrote:

That would explain. Sometimes I despair for the human race...

Obviously I struck a nerve, huh? Maybe the bartend down at your local
VFW hall will lend ya his shoulder to cry on...


Marron, please stop bashing veterans. I don't know why you never served and
frankly I don't care, but enough with the military and veteran bashing.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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Jack wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote:

... the Air Force must also accept its fair share of
the blame since highly trained and well-paid Air Force Intelligence,
Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) specialists are heavily
involved with counterterrorism operations.

There was no lack of information available to the agencies which had the
direct responsibility for enforcement and apprehension. They simply
failed
to follow through on what they already knew.

Lack of enforcement and apprehension is one thing, lack of airstrikes
against Taliban and Al-Quida training camps is an entirely different
thing.


Those decisions are made by the Government not the USAF, blame
the President and his advisers if you feel there were grounds for
such airstrikes but I dont recall any clamour from you on the
subject before Sept 11 2001

Keith

Mike Marron wrote:

George Ruch wrote:

That would explain. Sometimes I despair for the human race...

Obviously I struck a nerve, huh? Maybe the bartend down at your local
VFW hall will lend ya his shoulder to cry on...

PLONK!
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote:

Lack of enforcement and apprehension is one thing, lack of airstrikes
against Taliban and Al-Quida training camps is an entirely different
thing.

Those decisions are made by the Government not the USAF,

The government relys in part on Air Force intelligence resources to
make those decisions. You can continue to blame 9/11 on everyone
BUT the Air Force if you wish, but that's like blaming everyone BUT
the Army Air Corp for Dec 7, 1941.

blame the President and his advisers if you feel there were grounds for
such airstrikes but I dont recall any clamour from you on the
subject before Sept 11 2001

The gathering and processing of intelligence never was a part of my
job. My job was to simply fly checks, federal bank notes, nuclear
medicine stuff etc. in Cessna 210's.

(B2431) wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

Obviously I struck a nerve, huh? Maybe the bartend down at your local
VFW hall will lend ya his shoulder to cry on...

Marron, please stop bashing veterans. I don't know why you never served and
frankly I don't care, but enough with the military and veteran bashing.

Not bashing vets, sergeant dan. Just pointing out that, contrary to
what you think, this ain't your local VFW or American Legion hall so
one does not require prior military service in order to contribute.
In fact, 99.99999 percent of what sorry ass vets like you post, such
as this drivel of yours that I'm responding to right now, has
absolutely NOTHING to do with military aviation.

George Ruch wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

Obviously I struck a nerve, huh? Maybe the bartend down at your local
VFW hall will lend ya his shoulder to cry on...

PLONK!

Yep. Definitely struck a nerve there!

On 3/1/04 1:13 PM, in article ,
"Mike Marron" wrote:

Lack of enforcement and apprehension is one thing, lack of airstrikes
against Taliban and Al-Quida training camps is an entirely different
thing.

Talk to your hero Bill Clinton about that.


Jack
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message
...
"Keith Willshaw" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote:

Lack of enforcement and apprehension is one thing, lack of airstrikes
against Taliban and Al-Quida training camps is an entirely different
thing.

Those decisions are made by the Government not the USAF,

The government relys in part on Air Force intelligence resources to
make those decisions. You can continue to blame 9/11 on everyone
BUT the Air Force if you wish, but that's like blaming everyone BUT
the Army Air Corp for Dec 7, 1941.


The Army commander at Pearl Harbor was rightly blamed for
not acting on the warning passed to him by higher command
that war was imminent. If you have evidence of a similar failure
by the USAF prior to Sept 11 feel free to post it. I have seen none
so far..

blame the President and his advisers if you feel there were grounds for
such airstrikes but I dont recall any clamour from you on the
subject before Sept 11 2001

The gathering and processing of intelligence never was a part of my
job. My job was to simply fly checks, federal bank notes, nuclear
medicine stuff etc. in Cessna 210's.


So you are merely exercising 20/20 hindsight, OK but who do you think
should have ordered airstrikes if not the US Government ?

Keith

On 3/1/04 1:49 PM, in article ,
"Mike Marron" wrote:

The gathering and processing of intelligence never
was a part of my job.

Clearly true.


My job was to simply fly checks, federal bank notes, nuclear
medicine stuff etc. in Cessna 210's.

Which qualifies you to do what exactly (beside comment on the difficulties
of living the life of a bottom feeder in the realm of professional
aviation)?



Jack
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