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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: No credible publication should be accepted when used as a personal vehicle for attacking ones perceived enemy's in print for public use without providing the victims a venue for debate or to counter the story. Campbell has used his printed magazine and now his web based publication for just that purpose for a long time. When people started using the usenet to counter some of his lies, he tried to silence them with lawsuits and threats of lawsuits. So if people here don't seem to accept anything he prints, it is not without justification. All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. -- And nobody is arguing that point. Only Zoom has tied it to Sun-N-Fun as justification for ending that even. The response from EAA and AOPA were both printed after the story from Zoom and I suspect in response to concerns raised by that story. The story was previously reported without reference to Sun-N-Fun and with little concern almost a year ago and was drug out only to use as an excuse to attack Sun-N-Fun yet again. I also have to wonder why you are putting such effort into defending Zoom's story when admittedly you have never even read the story. If you don't know the tone and scope of his report and how he used it to try and throw a shadow over a great flyin...why the defense? Is it your contention that any publication can print anything they want as long as there is some element of fact in the story? Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: No credible publication should be accepted when used as a personal vehicle for attacking ones perceived enemy's in print for public use without providing the victims a venue for debate or to counter the story. Campbell has used his printed magazine and now his web based publication for just that purpose for a long time. When people started using the usenet to counter some of his lies, he tried to silence them with lawsuits and threats of lawsuits. So if people here don't seem to accept anything he prints, it is not without justification. All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. Here's how this all played out. 1. Fl DOF writes a poorly worded website designed to read by FLORIDA aircraft brokers and dealers. 2. Zoom publishes his story that the sky is falling. 3. Lots of people read that the sky is falling. 4. A subset of the people mentioned in 3 are AOPA and EAA members so they call/e-mail AOPA and EAA to see if the sky is falling. 5. The EAA and AOPA look outside and see that the sky is not falling but need conformation from the FL DOF to prove the sky is not falling. 6. The FL DOF being the same bunch of idiots that produced the poorly worded website to begin with are, as mentioned above idiots, and won't come out and say that they have no power to tax someone that has no connection with Florida other than flying an airplane there because it is the FL DOF job to drag in as much money as they possible can and they might some day figure out how to do just that. But they so have the gust to at least say they aren't going to be camped out at SNF. Now let's look at the chain and see what could have been removed and there be no problem. #1 No, sure they could have written the page better but it is correct if read by the people it is aimed at. #3. No, that's what the Internet is for. #4 & #5 No, that's what the EAA & AOPA is for. #6 No, They are state employees. That leaves #2. Well Said! |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote:
All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? I also have to wonder why you are putting such effort into defending Zoom's story when admittedly you have never even read the story. If you don't know the tone and scope of his report and how he used it to try and throw a shadow over a great flyin...why the defense? Is it your contention that any publication can print anything they want as long as there is some element of fact in the story? No. I'm just trying to get people to look past the originator of the story to the substance. Far too many folks are arguing that it must be BS because Zoom reported it to try to slam SnF. That's simply not relevant. It became irrelevant the moment AOPA reported it - unless you're arguing that, somehow, Zoom led them and EAA down the garden path and they did no checking on their own. In effect, the detractors are slamming AOPA and EAA's credibility because of Zoom, and that's totally unwarranted. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
Jay Maynard wrote:
I'm just trying to get people to look past the originator of the story to the substance. But I have looked past the originator of the story. There appeared to me to be no substance to the claims and implications in the original or subsequent stores that there were large numbers of non- Floridian owners being hit with sales tax. It cited only one possibly verified instance. (Due to someone who purchased their plane in Florida, took it out of the state, and returned to Florida in it within 6 months of purchase.) How many other cases are you aware of that I am not? |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:04:18 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote: Jay Maynard wrote: I'm just trying to get people to look past the originator of the story to the substance. But I have looked past the originator of the story. There appeared to me to be no substance to the claims and implications in the original or subsequent stores that there were large numbers of non- Floridian owners being hit with sales tax. It cited only one possibly verified instance. (Due to someone who purchased their plane in Florida, took it out of the state, and returned to Florida in it within 6 months of purchase.) The Meridian was not purchased in Florida, it was purchased in one of the Carolinas. Even if he took delivery in Florida and stayed for the 5 day SimCom initial he still would have had 3 or 4 days of the 10 day sales-tax exempt affadavit he would have filled out to leave the state and not get taxed. It would be interesting to understand more about why he supposedly gave up persuing the matter. Didn't someone post that they knew his attorney and was going to see if they could find out? |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? Past repeated performance? |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On 2008-04-04, Steve Hix wrote:
In article , Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? Past repeated performance? Aw, cmon. Nobody's perfect. Not even Zoom is perfectly wrong. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Apr 3, 9:59*pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-04, Steve Hix wrote: In article , *Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? Past repeated performance? Aw, cmon. Nobody's perfect. Not even Zoom is perfectly wrong. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) You are RIGHT! Zoom is just like a broken clock...right twice a day but otherwise useless. The only problem is that unless you know exactly when he is right, what the hell good does it do? |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
He isn't always wrong... kind of like a broken clock... only right twice
a day... His problem is that too many of us have seen him lie and fabricate too many times to ever believe him again. John Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-04, Steve Hix wrote: In article , Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? Past repeated performance? Aw, cmon. Nobody's perfect. Not even Zoom is perfectly wrong. |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
Steve Hix wrote:
In article , Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote: All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom. And nobody is arguing that point. Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"? Past repeated performance? Like Jim says, Credibility is always about credibility... Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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