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Jim Logajan wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
99 out of 100 stops are routine, but it is the 1% that can get an
officer killed. Having the occupants remain in the car gives them
more control of the situation until they have it scoped out fully.

Your stats are way off. Less than 1 in 300,000 stops are likely to get an
officer killed.

They weren't stats. I was simply throwing out numbers to make a point
that the routine far outweighs the bad encounters.

Matt

Martin Hotze wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 00:19:21 GMT, Matt Whiting wrote:

It is safer for the officer if the car occupants remain inside until
they have been identified and a radio check made for any outstanding
warrants.

So this is done on EVERY stopped car? *whoa*


I don't know if it is done on every stopped car, but I believe it is in
most areas. The officer usually calls in the license plate before even
approaching the car.

Matt

Sylvain wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Getting out and approaching the officer will really tick him/her off.

I discovered another thing that tick them off: I was following a friend's
car. Said friend got stopped by a police car (I can't remember why,
missing sticker, or something like that); well, I just stopped
behind them both, thinking that I'll just wait for whatever they were
up to to be over; ooops, big mistake.

Yes, these are basic things they teach (or at last should) in driver
education classes. Never put an officer in a position that could even
be construed as threatening. Boxing in his car is just not a good idea.
You should have pulled well past and then waited.

Matt

And
would the knowledge that random members of the public you are
interacting with, could well be carrying a gun, make you suspicious
and paranoid of your fellow citizen???

I think it makes criminals suspicious and paranoid or fellow citizens.
Crime goes down.

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Your stats are way off. Less than 1 in 300,000 stops are likely to get an
officer killed.

How many are likely to get an officer shot at?

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Jose wrote:
And
would the knowledge that random members of the public you are
interacting with, could well be carrying a gun, make you suspicious
and paranoid of your fellow citizen???


I think it makes criminals suspicious and paranoid or fellow citizens.
Crime goes down.


Exactly. This is a point lost on so many anti-firearm zealots. My
neighbor is a state patrol officer; owns and appreciates firearms.
I like having a neighbor like him. Likewise, he knows that I own
fireams and am licensed to carry them. We are both confident in the
knowledge that we are both willing and capable of covering each others
"six" if the need ever arose. The other neighbors benefit as well
although they probably don't even know it.

Matt Whiting wrote:
chris wrote:
On May 28, 11:15 am, Matt Whiting wrote:
chris wrote:
On May 28, 10:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
chris writes:
Maybe that's why our police don't kill people half as often - there's
almost no chance the guy behind the wheel has a gun, so no need to
shoot him if he comes at you???
This is certainly true in France. The average person has no gun,
so when you
are stopped by the side of the road, if you open the door or get
out of the
car, you don't have to worry about being shot. At the same time,
the cops are
reasonably sure that anyone who pulls a gun is a hardened crook,
and not an
innocent person exercising his right to carry a firearm. Thus,
they don't
have to constantly worry about having to draw and shoot in normal
situations,
and they don't have to ask themselves if someone pointing a gun at
them is
just a regular guy protecting himself.
Are we saying that in the US you can't get out of the car when pulled
over by the police?? I have been pulled over a few times here and
always got out.. Figured if I was in trouble I shouldn't make him
come to me or I might **** him off even more :-)
It is highly inadvisable to get out of the car. You should remain in
the car, roll down you window and then keep your hands on the steering
wheel.

Getting out and approaching the officer will really tick him/her off.

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Why???


The officer has no idea who is in the car, what they may be high on or
what they may have just done. We had a local police officer killed a
year or so ago when he pulled over a car with three people who had just
robbed a bank. Unfortunately, the call had not yet been dispatched and
he wasn't aware that the robbery had just been committed.

It is safer for the officer if the car occupants remain inside until
they have been identified and a radio check made for any outstanding
warrants.

99 out of 100 stops are routine, but it is the 1% that can get an
officer killed. Having the occupants remain in the car gives them more
control of the situation until they have it scoped out fully.

Matt

Not to mention that the police really are concerned that you might get
hit by a passing car.

Yes, and the folks on 9/11 would have had a better chance if they
also we allowed to carry...


I can only imagine a different outcome that might have suited the
intentions of terrorists even better, as it would have still killed a
large number of people *and* taken a serious bite out of air travel from
that point on.

What outcome would that be?

Jose
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Martin Hotze wrote:


If having the choice I won't be near *any* weapons. So it would be a good
thing to know.

That's fine with me. I respect your right not to own a firearm if you
do not want to.

Let's say (for the sake of an example) we'd meet and you invite me back to
your home for coffee. I won't feel easy knowing that you have weapons at
your home. Most likely I'd politely excuse myself for your generous
invitation to your home (given the fact that you inform me about your
weapons). Note: this is nothing personal against you as I don't know you.


That's fine. But if you truly believe that having NO firearms makes
you and everyone eklse safer, how about posting a sign in front of your
home that states clearly: "This Home Contains NO Firearms."

Martin Hotze wrote:


And then there are those immigration officers ... but this is a completeley
different story.


You mean those worthless bums that are trying to protect the borders
of a soverign nation from unkbnown individuals attempting to sneak in
to a country (contrary to appropriate laws) in order to persue whatever
agenda they might have?