Big Kahunas

Jeff... (the most outright arrogant person [with a buddy who is the most
hateful (he's homophobic transgender, so I suppose he has every right to
be hateful)])

Dang, Jeff, I was going to refute your statement, and reclaim the "most
hateful" title for myself -- but your buddy simply can't be beat! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:21:24 +0000, Gary L. Drescher wrote:

As the CIA pointed out, invading Iraq will likely increase, not decrease,
our vulnerability to terrorist attacks.

You can't possibly believe this. After all, they rubber stamped the
British report that many claim is what Bush is lying to America on.

Isn't it funny how they're reliable as time when it supports a negative
opinion of the president and unreliable when it supports him?

R Hubbell

Oh, I've been around for a little while.

As I said in post. "I just don't suffer fools".

I just let them rant on.

Big John


On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:45:57 -0800, "R. Hubbell"
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:37:13 -0600 Big John wrote:

David

David. Once more. I just don't suffer fools and sleep soundly.

You Texas 'Two Step' around the original post and now instead of
acknowledging the short combings of the last Democratic
administration, you blow hot air and try to overwhelm all with Crap.

Take your last shot. You've got GW for five more years so drop your
pants, bend over and joy it.

Big John

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plonk

Looks like you're new to usenet. Don't get too worked up. I hope you
don't plonk everyone you disagree with. But then again I guess that's
the republican way. So little tolerance for opposing or alternate views.


R. Hubbell




On 03 Dec 2003 22:59:11 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Big John writes:

David

You didn't directly address my "lie, steal and cheat".
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Stood up on TV and admitted to the world that he "lied".

More than any other president has done. He seems to actually value
integrity.

Stole furniture from White House when he left and had to return it
(WSJ and other sources)

Widely debunked.

Cheated on Hillery (admitted on TV)

Big deal. I take for granted that anybody at that level has "cheated"
on their spouse; power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. The cases we
actually *hear* about are a tiny portion of the cases that occur, and
are randomly selected.

Besides, we have no idea what his actual deal with his wife was; so
far as I'm concerned she's the only one with standing to complain of
his behavior.

Comments.

There are a few.

I notice you've had nothing to say about the fraud Halliburton and
Dick Cheney have been profiting from, and the long string of lies out
of the White House to get us into this war, and the deliberate
"outing" of an undercover CIA operative to punish her husband for
writing a report critical of the administration's position (the
"yellowcake" scandal). Or his brother's illegally purging black
voters from the rolls in Florida to get Bush elected in the first
place. Frankly the crimes of this administration take us back to
19th-century levels, or perhaps to third-world hellhole levels.

Montblack

Guess I missused the term.

I had planned on gracefully (ungracefully) backing out of
participation in the thresd and hoping that some the views expressed
did kill someone who believed and acted on them.

Thanks for your rational comment.

Big John

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:41:29 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote:

("R. Hubbell" wrote)
Looks like you're new to usenet. Don't get too worked up. I hope you
don't plonk everyone you disagree with. But then again I guess that's
the republican way. So little tolerance for opposing or alternate views.


I don't have a horse, a donkey, or an elephant in this fight but......

It's my observation that a person will be labeled intolerant, unless they
(whole-heartedly) swallow whatever "alternative" viewpoints the left is
sponsoring.

Big John, please consider *unplonking* David ...for the holidays g

In article , Jeffrey Voight
wrote:

I would also say that Monday Morning Quarterbacking has the benefit of
20/20 vision,

the sad part is that not all hindsight is 20/20.

--
Bob Noel

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:42:45 -0600 Big John wrote:

R Hubbell

Oh, I've been around for a little while.

As I said in post. "I just don't suffer fools".

I just let them rant on.

Agreed, me too. If the shoe fits wear it.


R. Hubbell


Big John


On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:45:57 -0800, "R. Hubbell"
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:37:13 -0600 Big John wrote:

David

David. Once more. I just don't suffer fools and sleep soundly.

You Texas 'Two Step' around the original post and now instead of
acknowledging the short combings of the last Democratic
administration, you blow hot air and try to overwhelm all with Crap.

Take your last shot. You've got GW for five more years so drop your
pants, bend over and joy it.

Big John

gone----------------------------------------
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plonk

Looks like you're new to usenet. Don't get too worked up. I hope you
don't plonk everyone you disagree with. But then again I guess that's
the republican way. So little tolerance for opposing or alternate views.


R. Hubbell




On 03 Dec 2003 22:59:11 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Big John writes:

David

You didn't directly address my "lie, steal and cheat".
`````````````````````````````````````````````````` ```````````````````````````````
Stood up on TV and admitted to the world that he "lied".

More than any other president has done. He seems to actually value
integrity.

Stole furniture from White House when he left and had to return it
(WSJ and other sources)

Widely debunked.

Cheated on Hillery (admitted on TV)

Big deal. I take for granted that anybody at that level has "cheated"
on their spouse; power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. The cases we
actually *hear* about are a tiny portion of the cases that occur, and
are randomly selected.

Besides, we have no idea what his actual deal with his wife was; so
far as I'm concerned she's the only one with standing to complain of
his behavior.

Comments.

There are a few.

I notice you've had nothing to say about the fraud Halliburton and
Dick Cheney have been profiting from, and the long string of lies out
of the White House to get us into this war, and the deliberate
"outing" of an undercover CIA operative to punish her husband for
writing a report critical of the administration's position (the
"yellowcake" scandal). Or his brother's illegally purging black
voters from the rolls in Florida to get Bush elected in the first
place. Frankly the crimes of this administration take us back to
19th-century levels, or perhaps to third-world hellhole levels.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:09:42 GMT Jeffrey Voight wrote:

No, no. I'm the most arrogant, and one of my buddies is the most hateful.

However, I would point out that in following this thread, you've
contributed nothing but 'one-liners.'

I can't tell if you're attempting to defend Europe's past behavior or if
you're just anti-current-U.S. administration.

I'm not 100% on board with some of the decisions that our current
administration has made.

However, I do know that the president's visit to Iraq boosted the morale
of the troops in that dining facility by orders of magnitude if even for
a short time period.


Boosted the moral of 600 troops of how many troops in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Thousands. You're argument is really bringing home the fact that it was
a political stunt. If he was sincere and meant it to be a morale booster
he would have involved many, many more troops. But be honest it's way
too dangerous over there for him to do that. In fact once the wheels of
AF1 left Iraq those troops were reminded of just how dangerous a place
it is there.


I would also say that Monday Morning Quarterbacking has the benefit of
20/20 vision, but actually making tough decisions often includes the use
of blinders. Some of these blinders are placed by rules and
regulations, some of them are based upon impulse decisions.

We went into Iraq knowing that there were WMD. We have since been
unsuccessful in discovering them. We have also recently learned that
Mr. Hussein may very well have been bragging that he had WMD when in
reality, he had paused (and, yes, paused is the right word) his
development while the U.N. microscope clips were holding him down.

Mr. Hussein did some bad bad things to his country and his neighbors.
The U.N. blew an awful lot of smoke up everybody's butts with sanctions
and idle threats. When it came time to put-up or shut-up, they chose
the shut-up stance.

Any country with lots of oil does bad, bad things to there people with
few exceptions.


The Iraqis are "knuckleheads" because they don't see things our way?
You aren't arrogant but myopic. Big differences between the two.
Now get back to your TV watching and shopping and fornicating like a
good domesticated citizen should.


R. Hubbell

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:49:49 GMT Bob Noel wrote:

In article .ca,
Brian Burger wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, mike regish wrote:

If that truly becomes the case, I will seriously consider moving to
Canada.

Canada has a great tradition as a refuge for the more sensible sort of
American!

Not just Vietnam, either. Consider the Yanks who *did* want to fight
while
the US was waffling around with neutrality in the two World Wars!




some people just aren't happy. whining when the US doesn't
take action and more whining when the US does.


So are you saying you're happy when they take action and happy when
they don't? Not sure which position is better. But it's an
interesting, alternate position to take.


R. Hubbell





--
Bob Noel

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:51:06 -0600 "Matthew P. Cummings" wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:49:49 +0000, Bob Noel wrote:

some people just aren't happy. whining when the US doesn't
take action and more whining when the US does.

They would whine if you hung 'em with a new rope...

That's sounds like a retro-republican solution to deal with people
with alternate, differing views. Are you hoping for its revival to
cleanse the globe of those who would oppose your views?


R. Hubbell

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:nq8Ab.311733$ao4.1062502@attbi_s51...
| You are without a doubt the most contemptuous, hateful and outright
arrogant
| person I've yet run into, and there are some doozies in the pro-bush
tribe.
| Get off your high horse and get in touch with reality at some point in
your
| miserable life.
|

I am not sure what you are saying -- honestly. Are you contending that we
are looting Iraq, raping the women, and bringing our soldiers home loaded
with Iraqi TVs (as Iraq did to Kuwait)? If not, what do you think we are
doing there?

You have not been following this news group for very long if you think I am
an enthusiastic supporter of Bush. However, when he is right he deserves
credit for it.

Now, I will tell you what I think is contemptuous, hateful, and outright
arrogant: the anti-Bush clowns who can't stand the thought that the man
could possibly do anything right. They are absolutely foaming at the mouth
over it. They are furious that we have not begun looting Iraqi oil fields.
They are absolutely incensed that our soldiers are doing everything possible
to not appear to be an occupying force -- even endangering their own lives
to do it. The anti-Bush crowd is livid that not only are we not looting the
country, but we have no intention of allowing France, Germany, or Russia to
loot the country, either. And the thing that gets them the most -- Bush
appears to actually be sincere about his reasons for invading Iraq and he
appears determined to make good on his promises there.

Now, I think it is extremely hateful, contemptuous, and arrogant to wish
that our own soldiers who are faithfully serving our country will meet
disaster just to serve the anti-Bush crowd's political agenda and give Bush
a black eye.

| I don't plonk anybody, but that may just change. I'm sure that will break
| your heart.

If the truth hurts, you should probably plonk me. In any event, I have the
same opinion of you that you have of me. In fact, my opinion of you is even
lower. However, I will not plonk you. I don't feel it necessary to only read
posts from people who agree with me. However, I understand your need to
avoid opinions dissenting from your own point of view, so don't be ashamed
if you have such a weak character.

|
| I'll bet you make a lot of money.
|

How much money I make is none of your business. However, I am retired and
devote my time to flight instructing, so I arguably make no money at all.
:-)