Have you ever...

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:30 -0600, Newps wrote
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Suppose you are navigating solely by GPS. What are you going to do in
the event the military chooses to disable the GPS system while you're
airborne

Can't be done. There is no on/off switch.

True. But the military does have the ability to jam GPS to thwart
incoming missiles. The effect for the pilot would be similar...

I think you just answered your own question, Larry. Them's the same
actions I'd take if I was on top and the VOR went and packed up, so how is a
GPS packing up any different?

Shawn
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:48:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
PGA7e.14356$xL4.13659@attbi_s72::

If, in ten years and nearly 1000 hours of flying, I've never needed to
figure out my position by looking at the face of my VOR, as if I'd
suddenly
awakened in my plane and didn't have a clue where I was, what the hell is
it
doing on the written exam for Private Pilot?

Suppose you are navigating solely by GPS. What are you going to do in
the event the military chooses to disable the GPS system while you're
airborne (or a solar storm renders GPS unusable) and you find yourself
above an undercast? If the aircraft isn't equipped with ADF, and you
haven't been trained to use VOR navigation, you'd have to request a DF
steer from FSS, or if you're located in an area of ATC radar coverage,
vectors.

Matt Barrow wrote:
Gee...when I took the written back in 1980 ... RNAV didn't
exist except in bizjets and DME was an analog display (50nm max
range).

1981 Skylanes were optionally equipped with RN-478A RNAV and R-476A DME
(digital display).

a.

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Suppose you are navigating solely by GPS. What are you going to do in
the event the military chooses to disable the GPS system while you're
airborne

Can't be done. There is no on/off switch.



Meb'be one of them terrorists with a 50cal rifle will shoot them all down!!!

I have a 50 cal handgun but I'm not so good at moving targets.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:30 -0600, Newps wrote
in ::



Suppose you are navigating solely by GPS. What are you going to do in
the event the military chooses to disable the GPS system while you're
airborne

Can't be done. There is no on/off switch.


True. But the military does have the ability to jam GPS to thwart
incoming missiles. The effect for the pilot would be similar...

Not on an instantaneous basis. Some general somewhere doesn't detect an
incoming missile and then flip a switch to make GPS unreliable. It
takes days.

Larry Dighera wrote:
[snip]
squandering tens of billions of dollars of tax payers' money waging
your daddy's war during a time when our nation's future citizens are
being so poorly educated that it's embarrassing if not freighting.

I aint poorly educated! I'm gonna be retrained using Federal
monies for my next job -- working at Home Depot.

blanche-unemployed for 6+ months
BA, MS (math)
MS (computer science)
almost PhuD (math & computer science)

Ross Oliver wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Who in the world uses VORs
for daily flight anymore?


Those of us who refuse to pay $400/yr "Garmin tax" for data collected
and produced at taxpayer expense.

And those of us unable to afford the $xxxx to buy and install a GPS.

"Newps" wrote, "I have a 50 cal handgun but I'm not so good at moving
targets."

Have you actually dared to fire it? Hurts my hand just to look at one!

Jon

I was referring specifically to the pages and pages (ad nauseum) of
study
questions that show you a VOR instrument, totally out of context with
anything else, and ask you to determine where you are in relation to
the
transmitter.

I think those questions are good because if you can't answer them
instantly and
easily, you're doing it the hard way. If you understand the VOR as a
"quadrature instrument" instead of (or in addition to) as a "course
instrument",
it's VERY easy.

I agree though that with a working GPS the VORs are pretty useless...
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Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

Those of us who refuse to pay $400/yr "Garmin tax" for data
collected
and produced at taxpayer expense.

You'd really be ****ed at what King charges for the KLN-94!

$380 via internet download...
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Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ