DUI's and flying?

In the UK, in the case of those who are driving, yes.

Paul

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:d6tyb.373432$Fm2.374121@attbi_s04...
Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

"Koopas Ly" wrote in message
om...
(Part86) wrote in message
...
I have no flight experience, but I'd like to persue some kind of career
as a
pilot... I don't neccessarily have to be a commercial pilot, but I'd
like to fly.
Thanks

To persue some kind of career as a pilot, you need to be a commercial
pilot.

The way I read that is "I want to be a commercial pilot, but I don't have to
be,
just flying privately would be nice".

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Jay. I know we both desperately
want the best for our kids and from our cultural experiences each see
the path a little differently. One more shot from the soap box and
I’ll get off.

I am under no illusion that my child hasn't or doesn't drink alcohol.
I did my experimentation when I was younger too. My goal was not to
have her never drink. My goal was to give her that choice. The
overwhelming consensus seems to be that kids will, so tell them to go
ahead but be responsible - a stamp of approval on succumbing to peer
pressure. If my daughter makes the choice to drink, that's her
business. If she did it just because everyone else was doing it, that
would not be a healthy reason. I've shown her, not just told her, that
saying no is a choice she CAN make. She has learned that peer approval
is a fleeting vapor that pales in comparison to the self respect one
has for making ones own choices. Of course a side benefit is that she
takes responsibility for her actions. If she chooses to drink, she
knows she alone made the choice and will do it responsibly. Never does
she put blame for her actions on anyone else.

We pilots are in the same situation. We pilots, like we non-drinkers,
have chosen to pursue a path that few others are following. Some envy
us because we are doing something they don't have the guts or
discipline to do, but most others look at us as odd and obsessed.
Their lack of approval means nothing to me. I have the self respect
that comes with making my own choices. I raised my daughter with that
same attitude. She knew what she wanted to do with her life the day
she left high school. At 25 she has a wonderful husband, has put
herself through college, is established in a great career, owns a
home, and makes me proud every day. My not drinking may not have
affected her fate, but I feel that it, along with my flying did
reinforce in her the confidence that she could do anything she wanted
and not do anything she didn't. Those who want to convince me that I
raised her wrong are just too late. YMMV. Other methods may work too.
Life's lessons can be learned in a variety of ways and many kids are
still living at home at 25.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:fsPyb.384007$Tr4.1121745@attbi_s03...
And I can't see anything bad in that. I'm curious why people do
drink......

Nothing wrong with not drinking alcohol, Gene -- I often go days and weeks
without myself.

However, the health benefits of drinking in moderation are hard to dispute.
A glass or two of beer or wine at the end of a long, stressful day can only
be described as "just what the doctor ordered" -- both mentally AND
physically.

You are right, however, that drinking is like a lottery -- you never know
who is going to be susceptible to the "Dark Side" of alcohol. It's a
wonder that my oldest sister and I can drink in moderation, without ill
effect -- in fact, with enhanced *healthful* effect -- while my youngest
sister has spent three decades in the depths of alcoholism and drug abuse.

But I *do* worry about my children, not knowing whether they have the "evil
gene" of alcoholism. Not knowing if they will be able to drink socially and
safely is a deep concern, given my family history -- but I don't think our
not drinking will effect their fate one way or the other.

When they go to high school and (more prevalently )college, alcohol will be
everywhere, and they WILL partake, guaranteed. I think it may be the
"anti-alcohol" movement on campus that has romanticized drinking for the
kids, and made "binge drinking" into an Olympic sport on campuses
nationwide.

Given this certainty, drinking RESPONSIBLY is something I want them to see,
and emulate.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:dg8zb.203652$Dw6.747247@attbi_s02...
Augh! You found me out Jay! Now I have to confess that I've actually
enjoyed this year's season of _Star Trek: Enterprise_. What are you
going to do with me!

PLEASE! Not the briar patch!

Whew! You're okay after all.

Any Trek fan is a friend of mine! ;-)
--

Trek Fans.... We are everywhere....

Did you notice how they changed the name of the show from Enterprise to Star
Trek: Enterprise? Almost made my TIVO miss an episode.

On 3 Dec 2003 07:05:49 -0800, (Gene Seibel) wrote:

The
overwhelming consensus seems to be that kids will, so tell them to go
ahead but be responsible - a stamp of approval on succumbing to peer
pressure.

If incorrect, it would not be the first time that a popular consensus
was incorrect.

However, I think any time a teenager sees her way through to a stable
and sane adulthood is cause for celebration. Congratulations, Gene.
Pass the sparkling water?

Rob

Paul Sengupta wrote:

Do you not have this "designated driver" thing we see on the TV
over here? Someone who only drinks soft drinks?

Yes, it's done in my crowd. That doesn't include many people under 35 or so, so
I really don't have any first-hand experience with the young adult habits.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:29:26 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:
Did you notice how they changed the name of the show from Enterprise to Star
Trek: Enterprise? Almost made my TIVO miss an episode.


Yes, there was an *extended* discussion on this topic on
www.tivocommunity.com.

Basically:

UPN started out with keeping the same show ID (X) but changing the
name to ST: Enterprise. TiVo, Inc, knew about this, and notified
people about the name change, but did not know if UPN would change the
ID. They did not initially. So the TiVo did not care, because thnigs
internally are tracked by show ID, not by name. The ID presumably
comes from Tribune in one form or another, but the intricacies of
*that* database I wish to inflict on no person. Then UPN decided to
change the show ID, which DID screw up all the season passes. And
then then UPN switched back to the original show ID in the end. And I
also believe that the show ID change back and forth all happened in
the space of a week so that depending on when your guide data got
updated and processed and if you could get the 2nd run that some UPN
stations show you wouldn't have a problem.

Regardless, it was all a big mess, but hopefully it was instructive to
UPN to show them that now there are appliances and other devices
acting directly on the guide data and more stringent care must be
taken with it.

aw

"mike regish" wrote in message
news:eAnyb.262181$9E1.1381879@attbi_s52...
| For how long? I tried the "one beer an hour" thing once. I wouldn't have
| wanted to take a breathalyzer after that. Plus, the beer got warm. I don't
| think you can seriously claim that somebody who goes into a bar at 8 pm
and
| comes out at 1:30 am will be below the legal limit after drinking for
that
| entire time, no matter how slowly he drinks. I've never seen anybody in a
| bar who doesn't have a drink in front of him to him at all times.
|

Well, I don't drink at all -- and never have, but I have spent some time in
bars. There were times when we would get in late at night and the only place
to get anything to eat was the bars. This was especially true in Asia.

However, I think any time a teenager sees her way through to a stable
and sane adulthood is cause for celebration. Congratulations, Gene.
Pass the sparkling water?

I will "Second" that motion, Gene!

If I can one day say the same for my two kids (ages 10 and 13), I will be a
happy man.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

driving. This person asked if I was ok to drive...he'd seen me
drinking beer all day and evening. I pointed out that I had, as
seen, been with a can of beer next to me since lunchtime, but in
that time had consumed a grand total of two cans!

Well, Paul -- if it was in a "can", it probably wasn't "beer", anyway! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"