Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

Arnold wrote:

This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland
Security
stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry
0ne
or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives".

Come on, give this poor guy some credit. Perhaps he meant one to two
thousand ounces.

After all, he was on live TV.

--
Peter

("Arnold Sten" wrote)
[snip]
This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland Security
stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry 0ne
or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives". Talk about your typical uneducated
Washington Bureaucrat!


I saw that on CNN too - ALERT ALERT. He said the plane itself would do
little damage, but they do have a maximum capacity of up to 2,000 lbs. I
knew what he was trying to get at - but I also heard how it came out.

Then Wolf immediately says, 'the important thing is, we didn't know if they
were carrying biological or chemical weapons in that little plane.'


Montblack
For the tough jobs, they always call in the minivans!!

Arnold Sten wrote:
AOPA Phil Boyer was interviewed on CNN at 1745 EDT. He set the record

straight by stating that a C150, carrying two adults and full fuel
has
little to no cargo capacity (polite way of saying no explosives).

It's easy to criticize afterwards because we now know the exact
circumstances. But during the situation, could they tell from radar
that it was a C150, carrying two adults, full fuel, and no explosives?

This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland
Security
stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry
0ne
or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives". Talk about your typical
uneducated Washington Bureaucrat!

Actually, he's right. He said "small aircraft of this size". He didn't
say the C150. The Cessna Turbo Stationair can carry 1338 lbs of useful
load.

On 11 May 2005 16:42:57 -0700, "Bucky" wrote in
.com::

The Cessna Turbo Stationair can carry 1338 lbs of useful
load.

Piper PA28-235, a four-place, four cylinder, useful load is 1,400 lbs.
Of course, that doesn't take into account the safety margin required
to meet certification standards. ...

Arnold,

He set the record
straight by stating that a C150, carrying two adults and full fuel has
little to no cargo capacity (polite way of saying no explosives).


Say again after me: That's not relevant, that's not relevant, that's not
relevant.

No one give a flying f how dangerous "small planes" really are. People
are afraid of them - and politicos make use of that to increase their
power. Simple as that. Marketing 1o1. And it's easy to avoid. By not
flying into that prohibited zone.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Paul kgyy wrote:

True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for
cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were
scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our
nation.

What I want to know is how an INSTRUCTOR who lives in the region can be
so UNAWARE of their location in proximity to an ADIZ and a No-Fly Zone
centered on the nations capitol. How one cannot be within 4 miles away
from the nations capitol in the post 9/11 environment and realize "hey,
am I supposed to be here"? If you are lost, get on the radio. If you are
seeing landmarks that are 30-50 miles inside a restricted area, like the
WASHINGTON MONUMENT and WHITE HOUSE you should be realizing something.

How someone can be intercepted not only by an apache but also an F-16
and not respond to ATC calling you on 121.5 also makes me wonder. Yes...
the sheeply panicked. There was organized mass panic based on unknown
intentions, and that was unfortunate. What is astounding is the fact
that an instructor blundered so seriously, when the areas are marked on
charts, the ADIZ's are clearly described, the FSS's re-emphasize certain
briefings from time to time (such as Intercept Procedures, for example).

If anything, all we have managed to demonstrate is.. you can get within
3 miles now without getting shot down. Crap like this will only serve to
get the "restricted areas" even larger, and more restrictive, and will
undo the YEARS of work the aphabet groups have put in towards opening up
the DC airspace.

Un-F*#&ing believable.
Dave

Flying from NJ I am super aware of that ADIZ zone. Instructor ?? Student
Pilot??
I went to Landings.com
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*72704370!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/ac-cert.html

And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "

Given the flight path S37 to KLBT I can envision a communication problem
with ATC. I wouldn't want to fly around the zone (Delaware Bay to the East,
higher terain and area P-40 to the West.) It was pretty hazy in the East
today. Who knows maybe it was a mix up. ATC (super super folks, I've a few
of them) have their hands full managing this busy airspace with the staff
and technology available.

Over reaction. Yes much like my mother in law who ask my wife if she will be
wearing a parachute for our local flight in a 172. (interesting she didn't
ask me).

And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "


Airmen Database Search Result
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name : SHEAFFER JR, HAYDEN LOWERY
Airman's Address : XXXXX
LITITZ, PA, 17543-9702
FAA Region : Eastern
Date of Medical : Jun, 2003
Class of Medical : 3
Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2005
Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
Airplane Single Engine Land

Larry Dighera wrote:
And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "

Airmen Database Search Result
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name : SHEAFFER JR, HAYDEN LOWERY

I guess if someone saddled me with the name "Hayden Lowery", I'd go by "Jim" too.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Dave,

good post! I can't understand why so many here don't understand that
it's not at all about how dangerous our planes really are.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)