Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?

Morgans wrote:
"Philip S." wrote



If you're referring to noise complaints about aircraft, there's really no
comparison. It's not like I chose to live next to a motocross track or
something.



I'm pretty sure that he is comparing Jake brakes on trucks and straight
pipes on motorcycles.

Do you know what Jake brakes are?

Yes, and I've used one a fair bit. :-)

Have you?

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.
People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't harm
others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most interstates
provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a motorcyle to
ride in at 15-20 MPH.


Matt

A large part of the motoring public seems to disengage their brain when the
engage the transmission of their car.

I spent a number of years as a motor officer and I hated white lining with a
passion. Even in stopped traffic and moving slowly between the lanes was
and is dangerous. First, many people see but don't register a motorcycle.
There were too many times when the second traffic moved a bit someone would
try and change lanes. They'd even look over and see the gap as traffic
moved but not see that Harley with the flashing blue strobes and pulsing
headlight! So the guy on the sport bike wouldn't stand a chance.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

Morgans wrote:

Matt W wrote:


Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.


I'm not surprised that Matt feels this way. It fits.

Yes, it fits with a thinking person with a pragmatic orientation.

Matt

Morgans wrote:

"Skywise" wrote

Hmmmm....Have you never ever white lined?


I don't want to come off with a holier-than-thou attitude, but the answer
is- not even once.

Neither have I, but it still is a good idea whose time may still come.

Matt

"Matt Barrow" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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Reading isn't really the problem. It more an apparent inability to
understand that there can be many possible motivations for a behavior.

If you want to get all self righteous and condecending, go ahead.
But you're not the one on the motorcycle with the idiot on the
cell phone driving next to you. I am.


DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!







Unless you have been riding a motorcycle as long as I have on
the same streets I have, I really think you have no right nor
place to chide me on how to drive. Just the same, since I am not
a pilot, I would have no right to chide you for the way you fly.

You must remember, Brian, that many (most?) people can't break past what
they think the law says. Further, that some would think for themselves
and go against the grain is, well...un-American :~(

Yeah...I guess I'm just a rebel. Sorry if I have a brain that
works. Actually, I've found through experience that having a
little intelligence can be quite a hinderance in a world that
wants everyone to conform and not make waves. So if that makes
me a rebel, then I gladly embrace the term.

But here's another example, using flying. There's all sorts of
rules and regulations saying what should be and should not be
regarding flying. But is there not a rule (if unwritten) that
says in an emergency that the rule book goes out the window?
You do what you have to do to save your ass. For me, driving is
no different.

Brian
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Jose wrote in news:0B5qg.61392$fb2.57224
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

It almost always boils
down to money and greed.

No, it boils down to an acceptance that life has risk.

Jose

No, it's greed. If there is a safer alternative, one with less
risk as you put it, more often than not the only thing preventing
that safer solution from being used is greed...money rules. If
some rich mutha'****a would only make 50 million instead of 100
million, it won't get done.

Brian
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in news:inbqg.11$2J4.152
@news.uswest.net:


"Skywise" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote

You seem to be in the same vein as Morgans, and not
listening to what I am saying. I do what I do because of
what others do on the road.

It seems that you did not listen to my post, where I suggested how to
drive safely; more safely than doing what you are doing, and staying in
the pack of traffic. They are like blockers on a
"student-body-up-the-middle" football play.

And you are not listening to me. I have found it to be more
dangerous at times to remain in a block of traffic than to
be on my own between blocks of traffic.

Quite so! Morgans remark has to be the most ignorant, naive tripe in this
whole thread.

Even though he has apparently been riding for 26 years, I have
the feeling he's one of those drivers that get's behind the
wheel and just blissfully drives, following the car in front
without nary a care for the world around him, mesmerized by
the worries of the day or the chatter on the radio.

Brian
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"John Gaquin" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message

I have had no problems since I adopted my current driving style.


...When I started riding, I played
it 'safe'. I also had a lot of close calls. I had people
who would actually try to run me off the road for what
reason, I have no idea.

Patience? For idiots who by their inability to drive are
endangering my life? You want me to have patience?!?! HA!

Maturity? Well, let's see here. I could either blow my
top and start beating the **** out of people when they
nearly kill me on the road. or....

Maybe it's some kind of SoCal thing. You ought to drop in on
rec.autos.driving. There are about 4-5 people (I think 3 from
California) there sound a great deal like you in general outlook, if not
in detail. They regale the whole newsgroup with almost daily tales of
near-death experiences, always at the hands of some other totally
witless, incompetent, oblivious driver. They've even invented cutsie
nicknames for the different types of drivers who inconvenience them, or
don't see the traffic world in quite the "right" way. They refuse to
even consider that their own driving style, self-described (in their
case) as including abrupt acceleration and braking, rapid lane changing,
etc., may have just a little bit to do with their virtually constant
brushes with danger. It's always the other idiots, and their
incompetent driving, that force these guys into horrendous
circumstances.

Thank you for mentioning this. I am acutely aware of the
posibility that it was my driving that caused the problems.
Like I already said, I've been riding for 20 years and have
had time to try different things.

Actually, it could be said that it was my driving that caused
the problems in the past. I used to think that because I was
trying to obey the laws and be a good driver, so was everyone
else, and thus I drove accordingly. Looking back, that was
a very ignorant and naive way of seeing things. I know better
now, and have changed my driving accordingly.


BTW, I note your other, seismic related sites. Is your background there
professional or other? I used to be rather involved in that stuff, a
long time ago.

Just a hobby. Although I disagree, some over in sci.geo.earthquakes
have refered to me as the resident expert. There's far smarter folks
in there than I. They just keep quiet. My forte lately has been the
debunking of quack quake predictions and predictors.

As you may have noticed, I have many technical and scientific related
interests. I also have a growing interest in critical and scientific
thinking. I've applied those skills to my driving situation and that's
how I learned that what I do now works. Empirical evidence. I don't
just 'think' or 'feel' that it works. I 'know' it does. Every now and
then I still try reverting back to "good" driving, and it usually
doesn't take long before the evidence changes me back.

Something I'd like to say is that although Morgans has apparently
been riding a few years longer than I, the difference is that we
have our experiences in different locations. It's quite likely
that our views are due simply to our unique experiences, which
makes neither of us 'right' or 'wrong'.

I just don't care for his holier-than-thou attitude about it,
suggesting that I could get shot at. What he apparently fails
to realize is that it's that kind of attitude that causes the
problems we have on the road.

Brian
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in article , Morgans at
wrote on 7/2/06 7:30 PM:


"Philip S." wrote


If you're referring to noise complaints about aircraft, there's really no
comparison. It's not like I chose to live next to a motocross track or
something.


I'm pretty sure that he is comparing Jake brakes on trucks and straight
pipes on motorcycles.

I'm pretty sure that Jay was, yeah. But I was responding to Jose.

Do you know what Jake brakes are?

Yeah.

in article , John Gaquin at
wrote on 7/3/06 7:48 AM:


Maybe it's some kind of SoCal thing. You ought to drop in on
rec.autos.driving. There are about 4-5 people (I think 3 from California)
there sound a great deal like you in general outlook, if not in detail.
They regale the whole newsgroup with almost daily tales of near-death
experiences, always at the hands of some other totally witless, incompetent,
oblivious driver. They've even invented cutsie nicknames for the different
types of drivers who inconvenience them, or don't see the traffic world in
quite the "right" way. They refuse to even consider that their own driving
style, self-described (in their case) as including abrupt acceleration and
braking, rapid lane changing, etc., may have just a little bit to do with
their virtually constant brushes with danger. It's always the other idiots,
and their incompetent driving, that force these guys into horrendous
circumstances.

This is funny, and it reminds me of a guy I used to know whom I christened
"F***in' cops". He'd storm into work at least once or twice a month
muttering "F***in' cops!". And yes, as you've probably already guessed, he
got one or two traffic tickets a month. Naturally, it never dawned on him
that driving the speed limit might be the answer to his troubles.