A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven

On 2008-03-18, Highflyer wrote:
The FAA did precisely that with the S-LSA certification process. It greatly
simplified the proof and oversight needed to ensure an adequate standard for
aircraft that cannot endanger a lot of unsuspecting people. That is why
they limited them to slower airspeeds and lighter weights as well as two
places. They are also only allowed to fly Daytime and by Visual flight
rules.

Not true. They can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped. That's one big
reason I wound up with a Zodiac XLi. The key is that no part of the aircraft
must have manufacturer's instructions prohibiting night or IFR operations,
and their equipment must meet the minimum standards of the rules. This
means, for example, that the aircraft must not be powered by a Rotax 912ULS
or Jabiru 3300, both of which have manufacturer's instructions limiting them
to day VFR.
--
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http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

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Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-03-18, Highflyer wrote:
The FAA did precisely that with the S-LSA certification process. It
greatly
simplified the proof and oversight needed to ensure an adequate standard
for
aircraft that cannot endanger a lot of unsuspecting people. That is why
they limited them to slower airspeeds and lighter weights as well as two
places. They are also only allowed to fly Daytime and by Visual flight
rules.

Not true. They can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped.

As long as you have a Private Pilot rating, or above.

That's one big
reason I wound up with a Zodiac XLi. The key is that no part of the aircraft
must have manufacturer's instructions prohibiting night or IFR operations,
and their equipment must meet the minimum standards of the rules. This
means, for example, that the aircraft must not be powered by a Rotax 912ULS
or Jabiru 3300, both of which have manufacturer's instructions limiting them
to day VFR.

Steve Hix schreef:
In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-03-18, Highflyer wrote:
The FAA did precisely that with the S-LSA certification process. It
greatly
simplified the proof and oversight needed to ensure an adequate standard
for
aircraft that cannot endanger a lot of unsuspecting people. That is why
they limited them to slower airspeeds and lighter weights as well as two
places. They are also only allowed to fly Daytime and by Visual flight
rules.
Not true. They can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped.

As long as you have a Private Pilot rating, or above.

This was about plane certification, not about pilot rating.

"Steve Hix" wrote in message
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In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-03-18, Highflyer wrote:
The FAA did precisely that with the S-LSA certification process. It
greatly
simplified the proof and oversight needed to ensure an adequate
standard
for
aircraft that cannot endanger a lot of unsuspecting people. That is
why
they limited them to slower airspeeds and lighter weights as well as
two
places. They are also only allowed to fly Daytime and by Visual flight
rules.

Not true. They can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped.

As long as you have a Private Pilot rating, or above.

That's one big
reason I wound up with a Zodiac XLi. The key is that no part of the
aircraft
must have manufacturer's instructions prohibiting night or IFR
operations,
and their equipment must meet the minimum standards of the rules. This
means, for example, that the aircraft must not be powered by a Rotax
912ULS
or Jabiru 3300, both of which have manufacturer's instructions limiting
them
to day VFR.

I am not sure of the phrasing on that last part, regarding the engines; but
engine and propeller combinations not certified under parts 34 and 35 (IIRC)
are not supposed to be approved for night IFR.

Several contributors here are much more knowledgeable of the specifics.

Peter

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jan olieslagers wrote:

Steve Hix schreef:
In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-03-18, Highflyer wrote:
The FAA did precisely that with the S-LSA certification process. It
greatly
simplified the proof and oversight needed to ensure an adequate standard
for
aircraft that cannot endanger a lot of unsuspecting people. That is why
they limited them to slower airspeeds and lighter weights as well as two
places. They are also only allowed to fly Daytime and by Visual flight
rules.
Not true. They can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped.

As long as you have a Private Pilot rating, or above.

This was about plane certification, not about pilot rating.

Nevertheless, whether or not you can legally fly one at night or in IFR
conditions is dependent on pilot rating as well as installed equipment.

Things may be different on your side of the pond, but SLSA applies over
here, and pilot certification affects legal use.

Peter Dohm wrote:

I am not sure of the phrasing on that last part, regarding the engines; but
engine and propeller combinations not certified under parts 34 and 35 (IIRC)
are not supposed to be approved for night IFR.

Several contributors here are much more knowledgeable of the specifics.

Peter




The SLSA version of the 601XL built by AMD can be flown both IFR and VFR
day or night. It all depends on your ticket.

On 2008-03-18, Steve Hix wrote:
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Jay Maynard wrote:
Not true. [LSAs] can fly IFR or night VFR if properly equipped.
As long as you have a Private Pilot rating, or above.

True, and, for that matter, as long as you're not operating under the sport
pilot rules with just your driver's license as medical.

I was referring strictly to the aircraft. As always, there are a lot more
rules that apply to any given operation than just those.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Peter Dohm wrote:

I am not sure of the phrasing on that last part, regarding the engines;
but engine and propeller combinations not certified under parts 34 and 35
(IIRC) are not supposed to be approved for night IFR.

Several contributors here are much more knowledgeable of the specifics.

Peter




The SLSA version of the 601XL built by AMD can be flown both IFR and VFR
day or night. It all depends on your ticket.

I took a look on their web site, and saw that they are using the Continental
O-200, which appears to be consistant with what I supposed.

Peter

Peter Dohm wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...
Peter Dohm wrote:

I am not sure of the phrasing on that last part, regarding the engines;
but engine and propeller combinations not certified under parts 34 and 35
(IIRC) are not supposed to be approved for night IFR.

Several contributors here are much more knowledgeable of the specifics.

Peter



The SLSA version of the 601XL built by AMD can be flown both IFR and VFR
day or night. It all depends on your ticket.

I took a look on their web site, and saw that they are using the Continental
O-200, which appears to be consistant with what I supposed.

Peter




But I don't think that particular Sensenich propeller is certified.

On 2008-03-18, Peter Dohm wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...
The SLSA version of the 601XL built by AMD can be flown both IFR and VFR
day or night. It all depends on your ticket.
I took a look on their web site, and saw that they are using the Continental
O-200, which appears to be consistant with what I supposed.

The certificated version of the O-200, and a certificated Sensenich
composite prop, and TSO'd instruments and avionics. There are only two LSAs
(well, the other one's actually a family of closely related aircraft) that
meet those requirements, the other one being the Tecnam Bravo/Sierra.
There's at least one LSA manufacturer that claims LSAs can't be legally
flown IFR, but I strongly suspect that's because they don't offer one.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390