Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

Steve Hix wrote:
In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:


On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote:

All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom.

And nobody is arguing that point.

Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"?


Past repeated performance?


Like Jim says,

Credibility is always about credibility...


Richard
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On 2008-04-04, John Ammeter wrote:
His problem is that too many of us have seen him lie and fabricate too
many times to ever believe him again.

So don't believe him. Believe AOPA and EAA.

As it happens, AOPA had an item in this week's newsletter, saying they don't
think there's a problem. I'll take their word for it. See
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080328fl.html for the article.

Note that the letter they quote from the Florida Department of Revenue,
while saying that they are working to change the law, includes language that
confirms the original story:

"If an aircraft is purchased in another state by a nonresident and brought
here for repair, training, or business use within 6 months of purchase, a
use tax may be due."

If they weren't going to charge the tax, why would they say that?

It's not about Zoom. It quit being about Zoom the moment AOPA and EAA
reported it. Zoom is totally irrelevant to this story.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:41:49 GMT, Jay Maynard
wrote:

On 2008-04-04, John Ammeter wrote:
His problem is that too many of us have seen him lie and fabricate too
many times to ever believe him again.

So don't believe him. Believe AOPA and EAA.

As it happens, AOPA had an item in this week's newsletter, saying they don't
think there's a problem. I'll take their word for it. See
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080328fl.html for the article.

Note that the letter they quote from the Florida Department of Revenue,
while saying that they are working to change the law, includes language that
confirms the original story:

"If an aircraft is purchased in another state by a nonresident and brought
here for repair, training, or business use within 6 months of purchase, a
use tax may be due."


Emphasize the MAY.


If they weren't going to charge the tax, why would they say that?

Because under certain circumstances, under the current law, there
COULD be a tax liability incurred. They are saying coming to Sun 'N
Fun this year will NOT be one of those circumstances. You believe them
when they say some circumstances MAY incur a tax penalty, believe them
when they say coming to Sun 'N Fun isn't one of those circumstances.

It's not about Zoom. It quit being about Zoom the moment AOPA and EAA
reported it. Zoom is totally irrelevant to this story.


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In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:

On 2008-04-04, Steve Hix wrote:
In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-03, BobR wrote:
All of this would be relevant if it was just Zoom. It's not just Zoom.
And nobody is arguing that point.
Then why are folks saying "Zoom first told the story, so it must be bogus"?
Past repeated performance?

Aw, cmon. Nobody's perfect. Not even Zoom is perfectly wrong.

But he works so *hard* at it when he gets riled up.

Jay Maynard wrote:


It's not about Zoom.

You keep saying that, and you keep putting him back into the story.

Was there ever someone who didn't live in Florida, made a landing while
passing through, and had to pay sales tax? If there's a true story, will
someone please post it and skip all the arguing over what someone may
not have said?

Egad, if I knew I was gonna live to be a thousand I still wouldn't
have time for endless fact-free discussions like this.

On 2008-04-05, Stella Starr wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote:
It's not about Zoom.
You keep saying that, and you keep putting him back into the story.

Nope. Those who are saying that out-of-state people will never be charged
Florida use tax for flying their new aircraft into Florida for training or
business are arguing that the whole story is bogus because Zoom first
reported it.

Was there ever someone who didn't live in Florida, made a landing while
passing through, and had to pay sales tax? If there's a true story, will
someone please post it and skip all the arguing over what someone may
not have said?

The state of Florida says they may charge use tax for aircraft owned by
someone with no connection to Florida that flies there for business or
training. I don't trust a government to not collect tax they say they amy
collect.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:33:22 -0700, Stella Starr
wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote:


It's not about Zoom.

You keep saying that, and you keep putting him back into the story.

Was there ever someone who didn't live in Florida, made a landing while
passing through, and had to pay sales tax? If there's a true story, will
someone please post it and skip all the arguing over what someone may
not have said?

AFAIKT, the Meridian case was just that. Sold in the Carolianas, flew
to VRB for a week's worth of training, left, got slapped with a tax
bill.

On Apr 5, 6:19*am, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-05, Stella Starr wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote:
It's not about Zoom.
You keep saying that, and you keep putting him back into the story.

Nope. Those who are saying that out-of-state people will never be charged
Florida use tax for flying their new aircraft into Florida for training or
business are arguing that the whole story is bogus because Zoom first
reported it.


Now that is a lie. Nobody ever claimed that the whole story was bogus
just because zoom reported it. In fact the story was published as a
stand alone story many months before and nobody said anything about
it. What people have said is that tying it to a slam on Sun-N-Fun was
bogus because there was not one shread of proof that there was any
threat to those attending.

Was there ever someone who didn't live in Florida, made a landing while
passing through, and had to pay sales tax? If there's a true story, will
someone please post it and skip all the arguing over what someone may
not have said?

The state of Florida says they may charge use tax for aircraft owned by
someone with no connection to Florida that flies there for business or
training. I don't trust a government to not collect tax they say they amy
collect.
--

That is also a lie and the portions of the law pertaining to that fact
were published here several times.

Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

Just checked out your web site and now I understand everything.

Birds of a feather.

BobR wrote in
:

On Apr 5, 6:19*am, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-05, Stella Starr wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote:
It's not about Zoom.
You keep saying that, and you keep putting him back into the story.

Nope. Those who are saying that out-of-state people will never be
charged Florida use tax for flying their new aircraft into Florida
for training or

business are arguing that the whole story is bogus because Zoom first
reported it.


Now that is a lie. Nobody ever claimed that the whole story was bogus
just because zoom reported it.


A few definitely spun it in that direction, but that was prolly just the
usual usenet BS.


bertie

On 2008-04-06, BobR wrote:
Now that is a lie. Nobody ever claimed that the whole story was bogus
just because zoom reported it.

Then why do people kepe bringing Zoom into it?

What people have said is that tying it to a slam on Sun-N-Fun was bogus
because there was not one shread of proof that there was any threat to
those attending.

The AOPA didn't tie it to SnF.

The state of Florida says they may charge use tax for aircraft owned by
someone with no connection to Florida that flies there for business or
training. I don't trust a government to not collect tax they say they amy
collect.
That is also a lie and the portions of the law pertaining to that fact
were published here several times.

The Florida Department of Revenue has said it. Go look at the letter that
AOPA got from them; my statement is a direct quote from that letter. The
article is at http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080328fl.html , and
the letter is at http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf .
My quote is taken from the answer to question 4 on page 5. AOPA is still
troubled by the use fo the term "may", and if they are, I am.

Just checked out your web site and now I understand everything.
Birds of a feather.

Uhm. Huh? What on my web site (and which one, for that matter) would lead
you to believe that I have anything in common with Zoom Campbell? I'm not
defending the guy. I *am* saying that his credibility, or total lack
thereof, has no bearing on this story.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)