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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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says... "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum wrote: On Jun 12, 12:31 pm, Yeff wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum wrote: The USAF hates CAS because it doesn't win medals and gets them in bar fights. And you know this how? -- -Jeff B. zoomie at fastmail fm Watching bar fights and listening to the AFs whine. Actually watched a "combined" exercise on Hawaii and the subsequent bar fight. Looked like a regularly scheduled event. Your mileage may vary, but I've got a couple of gongs for ground support and none for air/air. CAS is one of the most fun missions you can do in a tactical aircraft. The only bar fight I ever saw was between folks fighting to be the first to buy an fighter pilot a beer for CAS the grunts had appreciated. The major difference today isn't that CAS is hated by the AF, but simply that CAS looks a lot different than it did in the past. No more "gomers in the wire" "danger close" "whites of their eyes" stuff. JDAM from the menopause brings more precise support without the grunt ever seeing the airplane. It might just as well be organic artillery fire. He never knows. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) www.thundertales.blogspot.com www.thunderchief.org No more Sandys dumping napalm on the treeline from knife-fight altitude - a scene much used by Hollywood. I wonder how the movies would portray LGBs arriving out of the blue? Chirping birds... The leafs in the trees fluttering in the gentle breeze.. In the distance you can hear the rumble of a vehicle column.. The building to your front sits quiet in the morning sun. BOOM When the dust clears there is only rubble... -- "Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
"tankfixer" wrote in message ... In article z484k.1094$L03.864@edtnps92, says... The unit cost for A-10's is quoted at roughly US $10-15 million on the sites I found. All I know is that the F-22 unit cost is somewhere north of US $100 million (the Air Force says $142 million on their factsheet but who knows which unit cost that is) and the F-35 unit cost is also over US $100 million. That A-10 cost was probably for the lst ones built, way back when ?? I can FEDLOG the M35 2-1/2 ton truck and get a price. Last Time I checked a M35A2 was $47,000 or so.. But you can't order any new ones because the production line is long gone. -- "Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!" - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" Don't worry, according to Mr. O'Hara's logic, as long as you've still got the original paper napkin sketch, starting up a production line is easy! What an idjit! |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
Zombywoof wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:44:59 -0500, Dan wrote: Zombywoof wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:43:48 -0500, Dan wrote: Raymond O'Hara wrote: snip a big main force war isn't going to happen anytime in the next 50 years. You may be willing to stake your life on that, I'm not. I have history on my side. Since WW2 there were Korea, Viet Nam and Gulf War where an air superiority fighter was a requirement. Iraq may not have had the greatest air force, but they didn't exactly roll over either. Actually they did, they rolled over & play dead or fled. There were no attempts at any meaningful maintenance of Iraqi airspace by the Iraqi's. Well, the 33rd TFW took out 16 Iraqi MiGs that weren't rolling over or fleeing. They may not have been anywhere near top notch, but those 16 at least did put up a fight. Yeah I know a little bit about that since I was stationed @ Eglin AFB during the event at what was then the Tactical Air Warfare Center. Then you remember the 16 green stars and the signs that read "Biggest MiG parts distributors in Southwest Asia." I was in main base with 9 SOS at the time. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As
tankfixer wrote:
In article z484k.1094$L03.864@edtnps92, says... The unit cost for A-10's is quoted at roughly US $10-15 million on the sites I found. All I know is that the F-22 unit cost is somewhere north of US $100 million (the Air Force says $142 million on their factsheet but who knows which unit cost that is) and the F-35 unit cost is also over US $100 million. That A-10 cost was probably for the lst ones built, way back when ?? I can FEDLOG the M35 2-1/2 ton truck and get a price. Last Time I checked a M35A2 was $47,000 or so.. But you can't order any new ones because the production line is long gone. My copy of Fed Log is 10 years old. Do they still publish it on CD-ROM? I'd love to get my hands on a current set. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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