"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, Matt Whiting posted:

And a dismayingly small percentage of the current population of those
who claim to be scientists. This will become very apparent within a
few decades when all of the global warming, er, global climate change
"scientists" are proven wrong. That will be the biggest setback to
science in our lifetimes.

Do you understand that, historically speaking, many scientific hypotheses
are proven wrong and that doing so is consistent with the scientific
method?



The difference being is that I can't think of one of those that was
latter found to be wrong that if acted upon at the time and as the its
proponents are suggesting would have had the effect of destroying the
economy.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, Matt Whiting posted:

And a dismayingly small percentage of the current population of
those who claim to be scientists. This will become very apparent
within a few decades when all of the global warming, er, global
climate change "scientists" are proven wrong. That will be the
biggest setback to science in our lifetimes.

Do you understand that, historically speaking, many scientific
hypotheses are proven wrong and that doing so is consistent with the
scientific method?



The difference being is that I can't think of one of those that was
latter found to be wrong that if acted upon at the time and as the its
proponents are suggesting would have had the effect of destroying the
economy.

It won't

What you gonna buy in waterworld, BTW?

Bertie

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Ron Garret wrote in
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Ron Garret wrote in news:rNOSPAMon-
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as
Islamo-fascism. In fact, they are two sides of the same coin.

Really?

I hope that "almost" you speak of has several orders of
magnitude behind it.

I don't see many religious right people in the US strapping ball
bearing and nails around their body over the top of several
pounds of plastic explosive.

Nope, they just hop into B 52s and bomb entire cities.

To say nothing of the odd abortion clinic.

I'm with Jay and Bertie on this.

Why don't youjust run a knife through me?

Huh?

Sorry, the notion that Jay agrees with me on anything has upset my
little buyip world.
He actually said something intelligent about religion there. I'm not
feeling well at all as a result. I feel as though I'm some sort of weird
parralell universe.

Hm. I would think you'd be happy about this turn of events.

You're not a talking rabbit, are you?

Damn, how did you know?

rg

Ron Garret wrote in
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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Ron Garret wrote in
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Ron Garret wrote in news:rNOSPAMon-
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote

The religious right in the US scares me almost as much as
Islamo-fascism. In fact, they are two sides of the same
coin.

Really?

I hope that "almost" you speak of has several orders of
magnitude behind it.

I don't see many religious right people in the US strapping
ball bearing and nails around their body over the top of
several pounds of plastic explosive.

Nope, they just hop into B 52s and bomb entire cities.

To say nothing of the odd abortion clinic.

I'm with Jay and Bertie on this.

Why don't youjust run a knife through me?

Huh?

Sorry, the notion that Jay agrees with me on anything has upset my
little buyip world.
He actually said something intelligent about religion there. I'm not
feeling well at all as a result. I feel as though I'm some sort of
weird parralell universe.

Hm. I would think you'd be happy about this turn of events.

Hard to know, as I say, I'm in shock.

You're not a talking rabbit, are you?

Damn, how did you know?


I had a suspicion

Now where's tht caterpiller?


Bertie

"Andreus" wrote in message
...

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

I don't see many religious right people in the US strapping ball bearing and nails
around their body over the top of several pounds of plastic explosive. I don't see them
targeting their own countrymen with assault rifles and grenade launchers. I have yet
to hear them preach death to all unbelievers.

McVay ring any bells? How about murders of abortion clinic people. In truth I don't
think it has as much to do with religion as has been reported. Likely more to do with
the political situation, struggle for power, poverty.

True, but the cause-effect relationships are tangled and messy. Religion can be the
principal source of violence as in the Inquisition, but even that had undertones of
personal and political gain. Poverty tends to breed violent fanatics but then you have the
9/11 attackers, who were led by well educated religious fanatics. You can have violent
attacks by well-educated individuals with absolutely no religious overtones, such as the
Weathermen and the Unibomber. The most we can say is that individuals commit violence for
a variety of reasons, and admixtures of the highly volatile elements of politics, poverty,
and religion are particularly powerful ingredients in whatever provokes them. A secondary
observation would be that often, violent groups are created and lead by educated people
who enlist others lower on the secio-economic scale to do their dirty work by playing on
politics, religion, and economic inequality.

The problem for us is that Islam is no more monolithic than Christianity. Our task is to
protect ourselves against the truly dangerous elements without tarring all of Islam with
the same brush. It is complicated by the fact that except at the extremes of the bell
curve, there is no handy formula to predict whether a given individual represents a risk.
We can reduce it to probabilities - which is what TSA does in scoring the risk of airline
passengers - but not to certainties. The bearded Middle Easterner down the street who
scowls and mutters anti-American epithets may never commit violence, and the pleasant
family-oriented local businessman from Somewhereistan might be a ringleader in planning a
horrific attack.

Really Jay, I understand your reservations and fear about fanatical Christians, but to
compare the two groups is totally un-American, I think. You know better than to have
that kind of knee jerk reaction.
--
Jim in NC

Any fanatical devotion to a leader- religious or political -is wrong, and dangerous.

Amen, except that any fanatical American religious or political leader is going to be
constrained by American law, politics, and culture. This limits the scale of potential
damage. That's not to say that they can't be immensely harmful in other ways, but our
system and culture does not tolerate violence or even the advocacy of violence. Here we
insist that differences be settled by law. In other countries not only is violence
tolerated as an accepted way to settle differences, it is aided and abetted by many
elements of government, religion, and local culture. Even if those elements are in the
minority, that's one of the principal differences between "us and them".

-- John Mazor
"The search for wisdom is asymptotic."

"Except for Internet newsgroups, where it is divergent..."
-- R J Carpenter

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing IEDs and
suicide bombers in America.

Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
--
Jim in NC

"John Mazor" wrote in
news:mttgj.8377$Xo1.2518@trnddc06:


"Andreus" wrote in message
...

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

I don't see many religious right people in the US strapping ball
bearing and nails around their body over the top of several pounds
of plastic explosive. I don't see them targeting their own
countrymen with assault rifles and grenade launchers. I have yet
to hear them preach death to all unbelievers.

McVay ring any bells? How about murders of abortion clinic people. In
truth I don't think it has as much to do with religion as has been
reported. Likely more to do with the political situation, struggle
for power, poverty.

True, but the cause-effect relationships are tangled and messy.
Religion can be the principal source of violence as in the
Inquisition, but even that had undertones of personal and political
gain. Poverty tends to breed violent fanatics but then you have the
9/11 attackers, who were led by well educated religious fanatics. You
can have violent attacks by well-educated individuals with absolutely
no religious overtones, such as the Weathermen and the Unibomber. The
most we can say is that individuals commit violence for a variety of
reasons, and admixtures of the highly volatile elements of politics,
poverty, and religion are particularly powerful ingredients in
whatever provokes them. A secondary observation would be that often,
violent groups are created and lead by educated people who enlist
others lower on the secio-economic scale to do their dirty work by
playing on politics, religion, and economic inequality.

The problem for us is that Islam is no more monolithic than
Christianity. Our task is to protect ourselves against the truly
dangerous elements without tarring all of Islam with the same brush.
It is complicated by the fact that except at the extremes of the bell
curve, there is no handy formula to predict whether a given individual
represents a risk. We can reduce it to probabilities - which is what
TSA does in scoring the risk of airline passengers - but not to
certainties. The bearded Middle Easterner down the street who scowls
and mutters anti-American epithets may never commit violence, and the
pleasant family-oriented local businessman from Somewhereistan might
be a ringleader in planning a horrific attack.

Really Jay, I understand your reservations and fear about fanatical
Christians, but to compare the two groups is totally un-American, I
think. You know better than to have that kind of knee jerk reaction.
--
Jim in NC

Any fanatical devotion to a leader- religious or political -is wrong,
and dangerous.

Amen, except that any fanatical American religious or political leader
is going to be constrained by American law, politics, and culture.
This limits the scale of potential damage. That's not to say that
they can't be immensely harmful in other ways, but our system and
culture does not tolerate violence or even the advocacy of violence.
Here we insist that differences be settled by law. In other countries
not only is violence tolerated as an accepted way to settle
differences, it is aided and abetted by many elements of government,
religion, and local culture. Even if those elements are in the
minority, that's one of the principal differences between "us and
them".

Nobody has been killed in the name of the FSM


Yet.


Bertie

"Morgans" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing IEDs
and suicide bombers in America.

Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.

Flabbergasted is the work that springs to my mind.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing IEDs
and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

Don't you mean our "white" European culture? As politically
correct tyranny continues to force a mongoloid society here
in America we will soon see 3rd word attitudes and
fanaticism in our own malls and streets.

It won't be Muslim fanatics it will be our own home grown
terror as PC tyranny and fascism tightens it's grip.

WolfRat wrote in :

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in
:

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing IEDs
and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

Don't you mean our "white" European culture?

I said no such thing, fjukkwit.




As politically
correct tyranny continues to force a mongoloid society here
in America we will soon see 3rd word attitudes and
fanaticism in our own malls and streets.

It won't be Muslim fanatics it will be our own home grown
terror as PC tyranny and fascism tightens it's grip.


Ok k00kie boi.

Bertie