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NATCA Going Down in Flames
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
Requiring professional attire equates to "employee abuse"? If it is a change in the working agreement, that hasn't been agreed to by both parties, I would see it as inequitable and unjust. If changes are desired, they should be openly negotiated by all concerned. You didn't answer my question. "Inequitable" and "unjust" don't equate to "abuse" in any thesaurus I know, so I'm still wondering how requiring professional attire equates to "employee abuse". -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://spf.pobox.com ____________________ |
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Flip-flops are a personnel
safety issue; they can make you fall down and hurt yourself. .... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in machinery. Yet employers mandate them. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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POL NATCA Going Down in Flames
Since then, [unions] have gotten very powerful. Arguably too powerful.
Still? I don't know. I am not taking a stand on whether the unions (or any particular union) is or are too powerful. What I am taking a stand on is the idea that "it's a small issue so you should just comply". Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote:
Flip-flops are a personnel safety issue; they can make you fall down and hurt yourself. ... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in machinery. Yet employers mandate them. Jose Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:15:09 GMT, "Dave Stadt" wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message . .. On 4 Sep 2006 06:35:19 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote in . com: In our hotel, our employee dress code is relatively liberal -- but it's strictly adhered to. Was acceptance of your dress code a condition of employment at the time your employees were hired? Doesn't matter, job requirements can change, within the limits of the law, at any time. When a job condition changes it opens the door to negotiation. If the new condition were for example double production, how would you feel? The options are to meet the new requirements, leave or be terminated. |
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POL NATCA Going Down in Flames
"Jose" wrote in message om... A union levels the playing field, which otherwise is skewed towards the employer. Some unions tip the playing field too far the other way. I disagree. It distorts the free market of labor causing inefficiency. The free market works when employers and employees have equal clout. If one side gets too much clout, the "freedom to walk" becomes meaningless, thus distorting the free market of labor. This was why unions were formed in the first place. Since then, they have gotten very powerful. Arguably too powerful. Unions are dying at a rapid rate. Membership is a shadow of what it once was. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Private" wrote in message news:n76Lg.516413$IK3.107547@pd7tw1no... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... In the end, the point isn't what I like, or what you like -- it's what the employer likes. If the FAA decides that it wants you to wear polka dot clown suits every day, so be it. I will wear whatever my employer wishes, provided they also provide it. In that case you quite likely would find yourself pursuing other opportunities. Happy landings. |
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Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties.
Why machine workers? You think there's a special safety issue at ATC with flip flops? Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote:
Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties. Why machine workers? You think there's a special safety issue at ATC with flip flops? Jose You said "... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in machinery. Yet employers mandate them." And I said, "name on company who makes machinery workers wear ties" |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
... EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM. They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices (as did Henry Ford): Ross Perot is also the man who moved heaven and hell to get his people out of Iran when the Shah was ousted... As for Henry Ford, he may not have been as draconian as a lot of people think. My maternal grandfather went to work for ol' Henry after graduating from Ford's first industrial education program. I've been told by family that any time Henry came down to the production floor, he would seek out my grandfather, greeted him by name and would always inquire about his health and happiness. It has also been said that Mr. Ford (in the early days) maintained a fairly "open door policy" for his empoyees. Perhaps once Ford Motor Company began it's exponential growth this practice simply became untenable. Jay B |
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