DUI's and flying?

so I couldn't drink either as I had to drive...

As for health benefits, a glass of red wine or Guinness a day is
supposed to be good for the heart, but I can't even force myself to
drink that much!


Don't know about the red wine but I don't blame you over the
Guinness, tastes like cold vomit to me and I come from the home of
Guinness.:-(
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Paul

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:fsPyb.384007$Tr4.1121745@attbi_s03...
Given this certainty, drinking RESPONSIBLY is something I want
them to
see,
and emulate.

"mike regish" wrote in message news:9Cpyb.172049$Dw6.663660@attbi_s02...
You don't have to do a damned thing. People who go to bars to drink tea
belong in teahouses. Don't know where you're from, but if you asked for tea
in an American bar, you'd probably get beat up.

mike regish


I've been in that situation, and I've found the perfect answer. "I've
got an early flight tommorow." I've been pressured to drink and drive,
but never to drink and fly. (btw. It works even if you don't have a
flight.) :-)

-Rob

How about iced tea served in a drink glass. Who's gonna know (except
the bartender?). Reminds me of the "Saigon Tea" reputedly consumed
by the bar hostesses of that city. Never investigated the claim, but
have no reason to doubt it.

David Johnson

I'd have to agree that moderation is the key. Drinking is for
relaxation - but know when to stop. In my younger days I consumed
quite a bit of beer, but never developed any dependence on it.
I discovered early on that drinks at lunch were a no-no. One beer
and I'd get nothing done for the rest of the day. I found that,
provided I didn't start till after dinner, I could have all I
wanted in the evening with no ill effects. All it did was make me
sleepy - and I'd feel fine the next day.

I still like beer, but am seldom inclined to drink any. It takes
unusually hot weather or unusual thirst (like after a long flight)
to motivate me to get some. All my drinking is done at home (or
wherever I am staying). I never, ever, drink in bars.

David Johnson

This is for Jay. As an off-topic aside: During WWII, I was a naval
aviation cadet and went to pre-flight school at the U of Iowa in your
fair city. As cadets we were not supposed to drink (most of us were
under age also). In order to get a drink, the routine was to go into
the dining room at the Jefferson Hotel where beer was served in tea pots
and poured into tea cups. Saturday nights would find an unusually large
group of cadets sipping "tea" in the hotel dining room. Whisky could be
obtained in half pints from the bell hops and drunk in the back room of
a local malt shop which would serve the "set-ups".
Skip Schipper (long time RA lurker)

"David Johnson" wrote:

How about iced tea served in a drink glass.

How about Long Island Iced Tea served in a Tommee Tippee? :-)

This is for Jay. As an off-topic aside: During WWII, I was a naval
aviation cadet and went to pre-flight school at the U of Iowa in your
fair city. As cadets we were not supposed to drink (most of us were
under age also). In order to get a drink, the routine was to go into
the dining room at the Jefferson Hotel where beer was served in tea pots
and poured into tea cups. Saturday nights would find an unusually large
group of cadets sipping "tea" in the hotel dining room. Whisky could be
obtained in half pints from the bell hops and drunk in the back room of
a local malt shop which would serve the "set-ups".
Skip Schipper (long time RA lurker)

Great to hear from you, Skip! The Hotel Jefferson is now known as the
"Jefferson Building", and is all offices. I'm not sure when it closed as a
hotel, but -- as with most old hotels -- I'm sure it was because the room
structure no longer met guest's expectations. (I.E.: Those old hotel rooms
were SMALL!)

I'm currently working on writing a history of the Iowa City Airport (See
Version 3.0 it at http://alexisparkinn.com/the_iowa_city_airport.htm ). Did
you ever fly into the airport during the war? I'm looking for folks with
first-person accounts of what it was like, back when the old Boeing/United
Hangar was in use. Please contact me directly at
if you'd like to take this conversation "off-group"...

Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Skip Schipper" wrote in message
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...
"Part86" wrote in message
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because legally, police aren't supposed to do this.

Why not?

It is frowned upon,

I can believe that. But people usually frown upon actions that get them
into trouble. No big surprise there.

but
more importantly, it presents more of a legal problem for prosecution when
it
goes to court and has a likely chance of being thrown out.

How so? I see no legality that would get a DUI case thrown out of court
just because a police officer was waiting for a drunk person to come out of
a bar and then get into a car.

If the officer pulled over the person *solely* because they saw that person
come out of a bar, that's one thing (and probably is illegal). But
presumably, an office would note other signs of inebriation in the suspect,
while they are walking to their car, when they try to unlock the car, as
they start it, and then finally as they drive off.

I would that it is the duty of the officer in this case to stop
the person before he gets behind the wheel. It is in the interest
of public safety. If he waits so that he can get a bigger bust,
he is indangering the public.

Skyking

(Skyking) wrote in
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Part86" wrote in message
...
because legally, police aren't supposed to do this.

Why not?

It is frowned upon,

I can believe that. But people usually frown upon actions that get
them into trouble. No big surprise there.

but
more importantly, it presents more of a legal problem for
prosecution when
it
goes to court and has a likely chance of being thrown out.

How so? I see no legality that would get a DUI case thrown out of
court just because a police officer was waiting for a drunk person to
come out of a bar and then get into a car.

If the officer pulled over the person *solely* because they saw that
person come out of a bar, that's one thing (and probably is illegal).
But presumably, an office would note other signs of inebriation in
the suspect, while they are walking to their car, when they try to
unlock the car, as they start it, and then finally as they drive off.

I would that it is the duty of the officer in this case to stop
the person before he gets behind the wheel. It is in the interest
of public safety. If he waits so that he can get a bigger bust,
he is indangering the public.

Skyking


Drunk and in possession of car keys is not an offense.... driving drunk
in a private parking lot is not either for that matter... You start
prosecuting for alleged "intention" alone and you now live in a
totalitarian state....

How are you to know there is not a designated driver wandering around
somewhere... eh?? I'm almost always the driver TO the
bar/restaurant/party... and my wife is my designated driver (she doesn't
like even the taste of any alcohol)... My keys go in my pocket when we
arrive, and in her hands just before we get in the car... So when I am
over the legal driving limit before we get to the car I should be
charged????.... NOT!

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"Skyking" wrote in message
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I would that it is the duty of the officer in this case to stop
the person before he gets behind the wheel. It is in the interest
of public safety. If he waits so that he can get a bigger bust,
he is indangering the public.

That depends on the local laws and what the person was doing. However, if
the person is not violating some law on the way to his car ("disturbing the
peace", for example) the officer does not have (and should not have, IMHO)
the right to detain the person.

For better or for worse, it is generally not permissible for a police
officer to arrest someone because the officer *thinks* they might be getting
ready to commit a crime. The arrest cannot be made until the crime has
actually been committed. Once laws are on the books that make it illegal to
approach a vehicle while drunk, then an officer could legally arrest the
person in the situation in which you describe.

I don't think it's fair to most police officers to accuse them of simply
waiting for "a bigger bust". I don't doubt that a few do, but most are
concerned with doing what is both legal and protective of society. If they
had the right to arrest someone before they actually got behind the wheel
drunk, they would. But they don't.

Pete