Common instruments on small aircraft

Marty Shapiro writes:

If your friend invites you to attend the wedding, then there is no
problem, as you have a common purpose for the trip where the air
transportation is incidental. But if you are only flying to transport your
friend to the wedding and you have no other purpose in going on the flight,
then you are in violation.

Does wanting to go flying count as having a purpose?

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Marty Shapiro writes:

Inspector's for at least 2 FSDO's that I'm aware of say otherwise.
They were very clear in different Wings safety seminars that providing air
transportation for a friend is NOT permitted for a private pilot. One even
stated that the FAA added the definition of logging time as compensation
for this exact case, where the pilot does not charge at all. They
empasized that unless you were going to make the trip regardless of whether
or not your friend was going along, you would be violating the FARs.

That rules out a great deal of the motivation for GA, and thus makes
no sense.

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Wade Hasbrouck writes:

hmm... don't think you looked very hard... a Google search for "sectional
charts online" (no quotes), the site at the top of the list is one of the
better sites for online sectional and terminal charts...

Unfortunately, it does not provide PDFs.

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Marty Shapiro wrote:
Inspector's for at least 2 FSDO's that I'm aware of
say otherwise. They were very clear in different Wings
safety seminars that providing air transportation for a
friend is NOT permitted for a private pilot. One even
stated that the FAA added the definition of logging time
as compensation for this exact case, where the
pilot does not charge at all.

If it's your own airplane and you pay 100% of fuel and other
direct costs, logging the time can't possibly be compensation.
You can fly the plane any time you want. Having a friend in the
right seat doesn't make any difference. If I want to build time
for a rating, I can fly solo to places I rather not go to, like
the food at that airport restaurant sucks. Or I can do a favor
for a friend and take him there for free upon request.

The FAA has also ruled that they cannot make an assumption that
logged time is of any value. I have my IR and am too old
(drawing Social Security) for an ATP to be worth anything. How
is my logged time in my plane compensatory?

Fred F.

Amongst my coworkers, it is no secret that I am now a Private Pilot. It is also no secret to them that I enjoy going to PWT for Fish and Chips, as I have told them on many occasions that I think they are some of the best around.

By the FAA's (twisted IMHO) logic, this can be considered "holding out".

Jose
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The FAA has also ruled that they cannot make an assumption that logged time is of any value.

Where? I'd like to see the case.

Jose
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If you are going and offer a ride, it isn't holding out. If
you tell your friends you'll take them where THEY want to
go, that is holding out. Post a notice on a bulletin board
at the store or on-line and you're open for business. Offer
a friend of long standing a ride and it isn't a charter or
commercial operation.

You can't even take a package for your boss, but you can
take your packages and samples.

"Hey, Fred, I'm going to xyz for lobster, want to go?" is
OK. Hey, everybody, you can ride with me to xyz for
lobster, share the cost!" isn't.


"Jose" wrote in message
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| Amongst my coworkers, it is no secret that I am now a
Private Pilot. It is also no secret to them that I enjoy
going to PWT for Fish and Chips, as I have told them on many
occasions that I think they are some of the best around.
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| By the FAA's (twisted IMHO) logic, this can be considered
"holding out".
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| Jose
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| "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you
can't see where
| it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry
Potter).
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

If you are going and offer a ride, it isn't holding out. If
you tell your friends you'll take them where THEY want to
go, that is holding out.

If you "make it known you are a pilot and like to fly", and get
"business" (flights) that way, you are holding out.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
The FAA has also ruled that they cannot make an
assumption that logged time is of any value.

Where? I'd like to see the case.


It was in the ruling issued to the warbird museum guys. The
issue was whether the motel bill paid for any private pilot who
ferries the warbirds to air shows is compensation. Yes it is, but
conceptually silly here. Like, “I’m not flying that B-17 unless
you pay for my motel!” The ruling also said, “We prefer not to
rule” on whether logging time is of any value, but not a problem,
it said, if you don’t log the time. Just about anyone would want
to log warbird time, so they left open the question were the
pilot to pay for the motel but log the time.

However, I don’t think there’s a single NTSB case where logging
time alone was compensatory in your own airplane. Conceptually,
the idea of a pax providing an opportunity to spend your own
money and calling it compensatory as to the mere opportunity I
think is absurd.

Fred F.

Jose writes:

If you "make it known you are a pilot and like to fly", and get
"business" (flights) that way, you are holding out.

The FAA must have a lot of time on its hands if it can worry about
trivia like this.

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