Spins

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:07:46 -0800 (PST), "
Sounds like fun! Makes me wonder if being a banner tower would be so
bad?? Hours of slow flight along the beach?

Hours of slow flight, on the verge of stall, over the same section of
beach over and over again?

I was once offered a towing job years ago. Real low budget operation
on the Jersey shore, had a couple of extremely ratty Cessna Bird Dogs
and a Stearman (which was the only reason I considered it). So low
budget that they didn't even care that I didn't have a commercial
certificate, only that I had a reputation as a good tailwheel pilot.
Turned him down as he wanted a commitment for 8 hours a day, Saturday
and Sunday, all summer long. One day a week and I might have gone for
it, but I had a life.

Couple of weeks later one of the Bird Dogs crashed while picking up a
banner from an island.

-Dana


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Dana M. Hague d(dash)m(dash)hague(at)comcast(dot)net wrote in
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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...Swept fin 150s will only do three turns for the most part
and 152s even less.

I beg to differ. I've done up to 12 turns in C-150's (could have been
a 152, it's been a long time), no trouble at all.

Back when I was learning, I asked my instructor to teach me spins
(this was in 150's). Not just "demonstrating", he had me doing 3 turn
spins and recoveries myself... and told me (with a smile, knowing that
the 17 year old kid I was would do whatever I damm well pleased) not
to do them solo.

Did 20 turns once in my T-Craft... and on another occasion spun the
T-Craft down through an overcast when I got stuck on top ('bout 8
turns as I recall).



Yeah, that used to be a common way for airmail pilots to get down through a
layer.


Bertie

On Jan 19, 4:26*pm, wrote:
On Jan 19, 9:36 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:



Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.

Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand
Datsun with gas for that :-))

* * * * Your ages are showing. Some young punk is going to ask what a
Datsun is.

* * * * * * Dan

It's a Nissan, that's what.

I'll never forget those lovely little Datsun pickups and the long
empty beaches of the Texas coast, girlfriend right there handy at your
side. Useful, those pickups were.

Did 20 turns once in my T-Craft... and on another occasion spun the
T-Craft down through an overcast when I got stuck on top ('bout 8
turns as I recall).

-Dana

So ... sheet ... how did you know where the bases were?!

I read a bit out of Adolf Galland's "The First And The Last" about
something like that, except it wasn't spinning through it was diving
through to demonstrate the Stuka to some Luftwaffe big wigs. The guys
burst out of the base at 300 feet and promptly dug holes in the
ground.

Dobeh!

On Jan 19, 3:35 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, those are to compensate for the extra area out front. I wonder if
land 172 had them. I haven;t got a whole lot of 172 time but I've never
heard of those in any case..

Bertie

Nope. The land-only 172s don't have them.

Dan

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On Jan 19, 3:35 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, those are to compensate for the extra area out front. I wonder if
land 172 had them. I haven;t got a whole lot of 172 time but I've never
heard of those in any case..

Bertie

Nope. The land-only 172s don't have them.



Hmm, Not a seaplane guy myself. Someone must know!

Bertie

wrote:

I'll never forget those lovely little Datsun pickups and the long
empty beaches of the Texas coast, girlfriend right there handy at your
side. Useful, those pickups were.

A '67 Barracuda fastback was better.

Fold down the back seats and you had 7 feet of carpeted space to play in.

Keep the engine running, the AC on and the windows up and you could have your
fun without those West Galveston Beach sand flies feasting on your tender
bits.

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Dan
T-182T at BFM

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:00:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Did 20 turns once in my T-Craft... and on another occasion spun the
T-Craft down through an overcast when I got stuck on top ('bout 8
turns as I recall).

-Dana

So ... sheet ... how did you know where the bases were?!

Spinning through the overcast was accepted procedure in the 1920s and
1930s.

I suppose there was always a chance that you would impact the ground
before the visibility cleared, but that's seldom, and the alternative
is to hang around up there until you run out of gasoline.


Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:00:11 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

So ... sheet ... how did you know where the bases were?!

I had taken off under the overcast, climbed up through a hole (not a
good idea), after which the holes closed. As I recall, the ceiling
underneath was around 4500' or so, and I knew it couldn't have lowered
enough to be a problem in the time I was on top.

-Dana
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Cubdriver schrieb:

The Mueller-Beggs Recovery:
....

Beware!!! Eric Müller himself stressed that this applies *only* to
aircraft with conventional elevator. He stressed this in his book
(Flight Unlimited) and later again in an accident report (Eric was an
accident investigator) when an experienced military pilot had spun a
"H-101 Salto" (a V-tail aerobatic glider) into the ground.

There's nothing more dangerous than half-cooked advice by semi-skilled
people.