The Superior King Tiger

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on 10 May 2004 05:16:45 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

Fat Man (last year he explained to us the uranium used in Little Boy
was
captured from the Nazis)


Not uranium,but Little boy itself ( check out for German markings)


some proof please.

Captured German uranium WAS used in the atomic bombs dropped over
Japan.

Giggle-snort!

I've heard of and seen the photo of the Fat Man with the
supposed German "Warning or Danger" label on it (down low near the
tail fins)but honestly I couldn't read what the little arrow was
pointing to.

Yo, Genius! Guess what? Fat Man was a *plutonium* weapon. And you were
saying...?

Brooks

Uranium ore produces U-235 and U-238. U-238 can be made into Plutonium
by putting it in a reactor, fool. Thus, the captured German uranium
supplied to the Manhatten project could have been used with any of the
three A-bombs detonated: Trinity, Little Boy, or Fat Man.
The fact that captured German uranium was supplied to the Manhatten
Project:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html
BEFORE any of the bombs were detonated. This does not count the 560kg
of uranium seized from German U-boat of which 4 kg of U-235 could have
been extratced. A small amount, but a contributor to Little Boy which
recent information suggests was one-fifth German (or 12kg).
As for Fat Man, I have no idea. All the photos of the German language
warning labels near the tail fins are too small to read.

Rob

AFAIK, the Germans were only working on two radiological weapons that
were partially constructed when the war ended. The Sanger Silverbird
(aka Antipodal Bomber) program was reactivated in Feb 1945 and a
wooden mock-up was under construction at a plant in Lofer. The
hypersonic bomber if built (no chance) would theoretically have
carried a German radiological weapon, not an atomic bomb as connected
to the He-277 and Ho XVIIIB.
I believe that there may be more to the German program but I think it
is in context to the German awareness of the Japanese secret A-bomb
project going in occupied Korea. The Germans were sending uranium via
U-boat transfer and were confident their Japanese ally would make a
handful of bombs by Dec 1945.
Germany surrendered in May and Japan in Aug. While Germany's wartime
A-bomb project has been widely explored the Japanese program remains
shrouded in mystery with very little known about the main effort in
Korea, not the scientific stuff discovered in Japan.
For more about "Genzai Bakudan" read "Japan's Secret War" by Robert
Wilcox.

Rob

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In article ,
on 10 May 2004 05:16:45 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

Fat Man (last year he explained to us the uranium used in Little
Boy
was
captured from the Nazis)


Not uranium,but Little boy itself ( check out for German markings)


some proof please.

Captured German uranium WAS used in the atomic bombs dropped over
Japan.

Giggle-snort!

I've heard of and seen the photo of the Fat Man with the
supposed German "Warning or Danger" label on it (down low near the
tail fins)but honestly I couldn't read what the little arrow was
pointing to.

Yo, Genius! Guess what? Fat Man was a *plutonium* weapon. And you were
saying...?

Brooks

Uranium ore produces U-235 and U-238. U-238 can be made into Plutonium
by putting it in a reactor, fool. Thus, the captured German uranium
supplied to the Manhatten project could have been used with any of the
three A-bombs detonated: Trinity, Little Boy, or Fat Man.
The fact that captured German uranium was supplied to the Manhatten
Project:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html
BEFORE any of the bombs were detonated. This does not count the 560kg
of uranium seized from German U-boat of which 4 kg of U-235 could have
been extratced. A small amount, but a contributor to Little Boy which
recent information suggests was one-fifth German (or 12kg).
As for Fat Man, I have no idea. All the photos of the German language
warning labels near the tail fins are too small to read.

Read your source document again, genius. The Pu 239 was in transit to Los
Alamos in February, before any of these great finds of German materiel. The
first major finds of German uranium (ore) were not until mid-April and
later. And you think this materiel was somehow vital to our getting the
bombs ready for the Trinity test and Little Boy/Fat Man? That would appear
to rank up there with your "secret base in Antarctica" nonsense. That
uranium ore was captured too late to contribute to our wartime bombs.

Brooks


Rob

AFAIK, the Germans were only working on two radiological weapons that
were partially constructed when the war ended. The Sanger Silverbird
(aka Antipodal Bomber) program was reactivated in Feb 1945 and a
wooden mock-up was under construction at a plant in Lofer. The
hypersonic bomber if built (no chance) would theoretically have
carried a German radiological weapon, not an atomic bomb as connected
to the He-277 and Ho XVIIIB.
I believe that there may be more to the German program but I think it
is in context to the German awareness of the Japanese secret A-bomb
project going in occupied Korea. The Germans were sending uranium via
U-boat transfer and were confident their Japanese ally would make a
handful of bombs by Dec 1945.
Germany surrendered in May and Japan in Aug. While Germany's wartime
A-bomb project has been widely explored the Japanese program remains
shrouded in mystery with very little known about the main effort in
Korea, not the scientific stuff discovered in Japan.
For more about "Genzai Bakudan" read "Japan's Secret War" by Robert
Wilcox.

Rob

In article ,
(robert arndt) wrote:

Uranium ore produces U-235 and U-238. U-238 can be made into
Plutonium by putting it in a reactor, fool. Thus, the captured German
uranium supplied to the Manhatten project could have been used with
any of the three A-bombs detonated: Trinity, Little Boy, or Fat Man.

Nope. Not enough time. Especially for the plutonium, which had to go
through a fairly lengthy time in a reactor first, then get separated,
then machined.

The fact that captured German uranium was supplied to the Manhatten
Project:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html
BEFORE any of the bombs were detonated.

Two or three months before.

Which means that every bit of fissionable material used in the two bombs
had been in process for a month or so (at least) before the German
material was even captured. Note that almost all of the German uranium
was uranium oxide, not refined metal. The Russians captured most of
Germany's refined uranium in Berlin.

This does not count the 560kg of uranium seized from German U-boat of
which 4 kg of U-235 could have been extratced.

....which wasn't needed, since the US had plenty of access to raw uranium
ore and processed ore (the uranium oxide in the sub wasn't that useful,
in other words). They had access to thousands of *tons* of the stuff by
that point (the Canadian mines alone could supply hundreds of tons of
uranium, not to mention the African and western US supplies), and the
uranium enrichment plants were in full swing. There literally wasn't
enough time for the German uranium to get captured, get shipped back
across the Atlantic, go through all of the enrichment processes
involved, and make it into the one uranium-based bomb used in 1945.

You have to remember that we had fairly large stocks (hundreds of tons)
of uranium oxide sitting around in waste piles before the war, as a side
effect of extracting vanadium from some ores.

Total stocks of uranium oxide for the Manhattan Project was _18.9
million pounds_. A few hundred more pounds fro the tiny German program
wouldn't even be worth shipping, except to keep it out of the hands of
the Germans.

A small amount, but a contributor to Little Boy which recent
information suggests was one-fifth German (or 12kg).

No "recent information" that holds up under scrutiny.

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

From: (robert arndt)

snip


As for Fat Man, I have no idea. All the photos of the German language
warning labels near the tail fins are too small to read.


Then how do you know they are in German?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (robert arndt)


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In article ,
on 10 May 2004 05:16:45 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

Fat Man (last year he explained to us the uranium used in Little Boy
was
captured from the Nazis)


Not uranium,but Little boy itself ( check out for German markings)


some proof please.

Captured German uranium WAS used in the atomic bombs dropped over
Japan.

Giggle-snort!

I've heard of and seen the photo of the Fat Man with the
supposed German "Warning or Danger" label on it (down low near the
tail fins)but honestly I couldn't read what the little arrow was
pointing to.

Yo, Genius! Guess what? Fat Man was a *plutonium* weapon. And you were
saying...?

Brooks

Uranium ore produces U-235 and U-238. U-238 can be made into Plutonium
by putting it in a reactor, fool. Thus, the captured German uranium
supplied to the Manhatten project could have been used with any of the
three A-bombs detonated: Trinity, Little Boy, or Fat Man.
The fact that captured German uranium was supplied to the Manhatten
Project:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html
BEFORE any of the bombs were detonated. This does not count the 560kg
of uranium seized from German U-boat of which 4 kg of U-235 could have
been extratced. A small amount, but a contributor to Little Boy which
recent information suggests was one-fifth German (or 12kg).
As for Fat Man, I have no idea.

Amazing how the Nazi uranium purified itself at a much higher rate than the
U.S. uranium according to your theory.

I need you to explain to me how a few crude gas centrifuges can produce so much
weapons grade uranium in 2 months. I suggest you have no idea how a gas
centrifuge works.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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It was a "disproportionatly" tall tank.

To what description of "ideal tank proportions"? Where are these
proportions
laid out?

"According to statistics of the American army, destroying a Panther
costed five Shermans or about nine T-34's."

If you think its news that the Panther was a better tank, its not.
The salient point is not which is better, it is this: at the end of the
war, JS, KV, Shermans, M-26s, and Cromwells parked on top of the
wreckage
of the last smoking King Tiger and Panther hulls. We won.

The numerical superiority of the allies was not primarily due to
better production technology. It was that the Germans, infact the
whole axis, were simply outnumbered. The USA was a large nation
loaded with manpower and raw materials that was out of attack range.


That Germany chose to declare war on, whilst under no treaty obligation to
do so.

"robert arndt" wrote in message
Uranium ore produces U-235 and U-238. U-238 can be made into Plutonium
by putting it in a reactor, fool. Thus, the captured German uranium
supplied to the Manhatten project could have been used with any of the
three A-bombs detonated: Trinity, Little Boy, or Fat Man.


The Hiroshima bomb was a uranium weapon, no
plutonium was involved and the materials used in the
enrichment were already in the pipeline when U-234
surrendered.

The USA had hundreds of tons of Uranium oxide in the
enrichment and reactor streams from many sources including
hundreds of tons from the Congo mines and stocks captured
in Belgium in 1944. The 0.5 ton German shipment was
a small portion that simply didnt have time to make it through
the system


The fact that captured German uranium was supplied to the Manhatten
Project:
http://www.ask.ne.jp/~hankaku/english/np7y.html
BEFORE any of the bombs were detonated. This does not count the 560kg
of uranium seized from German U-boat of which 4 kg of U-235 could have
been extratced.

Only if the mechanisms existed for 100% extraction, which it didnt.

A small amount, but a contributor to Little Boy which
recent information suggests was one-fifth German (or 12kg).

Highly unlikely given the timelines involved, they started enrichment
at Oak Ridge 2 years before the bomb was constructed, at best
the German shipment could only have arrived weeks ahead of the
bomb construction. Its more likely to have been part of the
weapons assembled in 1948 than 1945

As for Fat Man, I have no idea. All the photos of the German language
warning labels near the tail fins are too small to read.


Given that a large portion of the scientists working at
Los Alamos were German jews the presence of german
language labels is rather unsurprising.

Keith

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: (robert arndt)


Amazing how the Nazi uranium purified itself at a much higher rate than
the
U.S. uranium according to your theory.


As I recall the entire enrichment yield in Germany was
18 grams of Uranium enriched to 3%

Keith

"Eunometic" wrote in message
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The numerical superiority of the allies was not primarily due to
better production technology. It was that the Germans, infact the
whole axis, were simply outnumbered. The USA was a large nation
loaded with manpower and raw materials that was out of attack range.


Britain alone was outproducing Germany in terms of aircraft, artillery
and tanks by 1943

Germany managed to produce around 14,000 Mk II & IV
5,000 Mk V and 2000 Mk VI

Britain produced 28,000 tanks of all types

Keith

Eunometic twisted the electrons to say:
Latter work (much latter) clearly debugged the issues with APDS
and the sherman received 90mm and even 105mm (lower velocity and
caliber but ideal for APDS)

The 105mm they shoved into the Sherman during WW2 was a howitzer for
infantry support duties - hardly the sort of thing you want to take on a
Panther / Tiger with[1]. Unless, of course, you where referring to the
Israeli Super Shermans ...

[1] Though I'm having thoughts of the scene from _Kelly's Heroes_ when we
first meet Oddball! grins
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