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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Saying it is fine and I agree with it. Acting on it isn't fine.
Outside of Philly and Pitt, PA isn't much different than Texas. At one
time, if you put all of the PA hunters together, we'd have constituted
the world's 4 or 5th largest army. However, being rural and being not
PC, doesn't mean that murder is right.

Let's say that you live in a state without capital punishment... Let's say
that some punk kills your wife / girlfriend / someone close to you in a
robbery... Let's say that you saw it, but couldn't do anything about it at
the time, but you definitely know who did it... Let's say that you hunt this
punk down and kill him... Legally, it's murder, but you are morally right in
doing so... Of course, you can't just leave dead bodies laying around, you
have to dispose of 'em... It's the ecological thing to do, ya' know... Hell,
gators gotta eat too...

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Urban legend

Nawh, it's a way of thinking... It may or may not fly with a jury, but there
is a chance that you'll get someone like me on the jury who would vote to
aquit...

Jury nullification, a great American tradition, that you
won't be told about in court. A jury is allowed to judge
the defendant and the law. The Judge will tell you to decide
if the defendant violated the LAW as written, the jury has
the right, duty and power to also judge the LAW and its
application in order to render Justice. If the jury is only
allowed to decide that the law was violated, the jury will
become part of the tyranny and not the shield that the
Founders wanted.

American Jury Institute/Fully Informed Jury Association:
Home
A non-profit educational association whose mission is to
inform all Americans
about their rights, powers and responsibilities when serving
as trial jurors.
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--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Grumman-581" wrote
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:6ZPsf.38160$QW2.35626@dukeread08...
| Urban legend
|
| Nawh, it's a way of thinking... It may or may not fly with
a jury, but there
| is a chance that you'll get someone like me on the jury
who would vote to
| aquit...
|
|

Let's say that you live in one of the states (only four now)
that do not have some provision for legally carrying a
weapon for self-defense. You are carrying your Colt Cobra
(just like Sgt. Friday) and you save your wife from that you
saved your wife and all the other victims in that robbery
attempt. The local District Attorney is a personal friend of
Sarah Brady and insists on charging you with illegally
carrying a weapon. You hire the best attorney you can,
mortgage the your house and go to court. The judge won't
allow your attorney to present the Constitution or Bill of
Rights into evidence, nor the long criminal record of the
robber you stopped [you didn't know his record before so
your actions were legally based only on what you knew at the
time]. The jury is not told about their powers or your
rights and you're found guilty [very common in Chicago, NYC,
DC and other urban areas, not so common in the West (except
CA)].
Criminals should live in fear of ordinary citizens, not the
other way around. But, the vigilante justice, as seen in
the Charles Bronson movies, is wrong. But that is not
self-defense, self-defense is always the right thing to do
and is legal in every state, even those that do not allow
you to carry the weapon you need to exercise the right to
self-defense. But that is the fault of the people who elect
those legislators who violate the principles of the
Constitution with such laws.

American Jury Institute/Fully Informed Jury Association:
Home
A non-profit educational association whose mission is to
inform all Americans
about their rights, powers and responsibilties when serving
as trial jurors.
www.fija.org/ - 11k - Dec 29, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
Fully Informed Jury Association Home Page
The Fully Informed Jury Association is a non-profit (501c3)
educational organization
dedicated to informing jurors of their rights, particularly
their right ...
www.ibiblio.org/fija/fijahome.htm - 2k - Cached - Similar
pages




--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P




"Grumman-581" wrote
in message ...
| "Matt Whiting" wrote in message
| ...
| Saying it is fine and I agree with it. Acting on it
isn't fine.
| Outside of Philly and Pitt, PA isn't much different than
Texas. At one
| time, if you put all of the PA hunters together, we'd
have constituted
| the world's 4 or 5th largest army. However, being rural
and being not
| PC, doesn't mean that murder is right.
|
| Let's say that you live in a state without capital
punishment... Let's say
| that some punk kills your wife / girlfriend / someone
close to you in a
| robbery... Let's say that you saw it, but couldn't do
anything about it at
| the time, but you definitely know who did it... Let's say
that you hunt this
| punk down and kill him... Legally, it's murder, but you
are morally right in
| doing so... Of course, you can't just leave dead bodies
laying around, you
| have to dispose of 'em... It's the ecological thing to do,
ya' know... Hell,
| gators gotta eat too...
|
|

Grumman-581 wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Saying it is fine and I agree with it. Acting on it isn't fine.
Outside of Philly and Pitt, PA isn't much different than Texas. At one
time, if you put all of the PA hunters together, we'd have constituted
the world's 4 or 5th largest army. However, being rural and being not
PC, doesn't mean that murder is right.


Let's say that you live in a state without capital punishment... Let's say
that some punk kills your wife / girlfriend / someone close to you in a
robbery... Let's say that you saw it, but couldn't do anything about it at
the time, but you definitely know who did it... Let's say that you hunt this
punk down and kill him... Legally, it's murder, but you are morally right in
doing so... Of course, you can't just leave dead bodies laying around, you
have to dispose of 'em... It's the ecological thing to do, ya' know... Hell,
gators gotta eat too...

Except that it isn't morally right.


Matt

"Grumman-581" wrote in message ...

... Let's say that you hunt this
punk down and kill him... Legally, it's murder, but you are morally right in
doing so...


Your morals are all screwed up...

Jim Macklin wrote:

Jury nullification, a great American tradition, that you
won't be told about in court.

In New Jersey, you will be told that it's illegal. At least, I was told that
when I was called for jury selection.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Matt Whiting wrote:

Except that it isn't morally right.

Yes, it is.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

George Patterson wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

Except that it isn't morally right.


Yes, it is.

If you have no morals.

Matt

It isn't illegal anywhere in the USA, but since it gives
power to the jury and the political bosses, want their "fair
trials" to have the desired result, any juror who knows of
or speaks about the term, let alone knows about jury
nullification will be excluded. If a lawyer brings it
during the trial the judge will probably declare a mistrial
and the attorney in contempt. I've even heard of people
handing out literature near the court house being arrested
for jury tampering [which it is not.].

New Jersey state laws violate many traditional American
values, that's why it is known as the "people's Republic of
New Jersey."


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.




"George Patterson" wrote in message
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| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Jury nullification, a great American tradition, that you
| won't be told about in court.
|
| In New Jersey, you will be told that it's illegal. At
least, I was told that
| when I was called for jury selection.
|
| George Patterson
| Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by
rights belong to
| your slightly older self.