PSA: Don't be rude on the radio

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Hardly. Nobody with half a brain would consider me to be "on final" for
an airport that is 100 miles distant when I'm still climbing out from the
departure airport.


Would you self announce to aircraft at your destination airport that you
were on final when 100 miles distant?



Absolutely not. I'm not the one who said I would be on final this far
away ... that would be you who said that.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Absolutely not.

Then it's irrelevant.



I'm not the one who said I would be on final this far away ... that would
be you who said that.


I didn't say that.

On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:50:17 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
wrote in
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Not particularly directed against this Cirrus pilot (because I don't
know the facts), but generally directed at people with fast singles who
feel the need to hurtle around the circuit, scattering Cessna 150s in
their wake. (Often to be found doing a straight-in at 120 knots).

Please don't do it. If the pattern is busy, slow down - you can do it -
and fit in. I've got a fair few hours in an S-35 Bonanza. I found it
flew perfectly well at 80 knots with the first stage (of the highly
effective flaps) extended. It was more neighbourly (the engine throttled
back and much quieter), and it didn't make student pilots feel the need
to rush their downwind. There was just no need to go hurtling on
downwind at 120 knots like far too many people in this kind of aircraft
seem to prefer.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't see the issue you
apparently do with a faster aircraft trailing a slower one on
downwind. There's no need for the slower one in front to feel any
pressure to rush at all. In fact it's doubtful that the pilot of the
slower aircraft is even aware of the speed of the aircraft behind him.
The faster aircraft need only pass the slower one on the outside of
the pattern, and turn base when appropriate. What am I missing?

While I may be able to appreciate the situation of the fast aircraft
on straight-in, I'm not sure it's much of an issue either.

Obviously you've had some negative experience with these two
situations. Perhaps you'd be good enough to point out the problems
you feel they create. Otherwise, I would prefer pilots pilot their
own aircraft, and let the other pilots pilot theirs (at whatever
speeds they see fit).

On 2007-05-15, Larry Dighera wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't see the issue you
apparently do with a faster aircraft trailing a slower one on
downwind. There's no need for the slower one in front to feel any
pressure to rush at all. In fact it's doubtful that the pilot of the
slower aircraft is even aware of the speed of the aircraft behind him.

Only if they are a NORDO. If both aircraft are radio equipped, it
becomes very apparent if an aircraft behind is catching up on you
quickly from how much closer the position calls are getting to your
actual position.

Most pilots at that stage in the slower aircraft (PARTICULARLY student
pilots, who are likely to be in slower aircraft) will begin to get
anxious that an aircraft they can't see that's behind them, is catching
up on them quickly, and apparently making no allowances for them - have
they seen me? Have they heard my position announcements? Where exactly
are they?

It's probably not a big deal if no one else is in the circuit. But when
it's a fairly busy non-towered field with three or four student pilots
fighting with the crosswind - and then someone comes hurtling into the
pattern on a straight in, doing 120 knots, then I submit it's a bit
discourteous at the very least (especially when nearly every single,
even a hot one, will happily fly much more slowly and nicely slot in
with the prevailing traffic speed without making anyone anxious about
being run over).

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Dylan Smith wrote:

Only if they are a NORDO. If both aircraft are radio equipped, it
becomes very apparent if an aircraft behind is catching up on you
quickly from how much closer the position calls are getting to your
actual position.

So what? You're both on downwind, why can't he just follow you? If
he's too fast he moves over, he may even get to a point where he's
looking right over at you. Big deal. He'll extend hiw downwind. If
that makes the slow guy nervous get over it.




Most pilots at that stage in the slower aircraft (PARTICULARLY student
pilots, who are likely to be in slower aircraft) will begin to get
anxious that an aircraft they can't see that's behind them, is catching
up on them quickly, and apparently making no allowances for them - have
they seen me? Have they heard my position announcements? Where exactly
are they?

Ask. Do you have me in sight?

On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:52:18 -0600, Newps wrote
in :



Dylan Smith wrote:

Only if they are a NORDO. If both aircraft are radio equipped, it
becomes very apparent if an aircraft behind is catching up on you
quickly from how much closer the position calls are getting to your
actual position.

So what? You're both on downwind, why can't he just follow you? If
he's too fast he moves over, he may even get to a point where he's
looking right over at you. Big deal. He'll extend hiw downwind. If
that makes the slow guy nervous get over it.




Most pilots at that stage in the slower aircraft (PARTICULARLY student
pilots, who are likely to be in slower aircraft) will begin to get
anxious that an aircraft they can't see that's behind them, is catching
up on them quickly, and apparently making no allowances for them - have
they seen me? Have they heard my position announcements? Where exactly
are they?

Ask. Do you have me in sight?



Thank you.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Absolutely not.

Then it's irrelevant.


I'm not the one who said I would be on final this far away ... that would
be you who said that.


I didn't say that.



Actually, you did. May 13th at 9:08 AM. At least the person who wrote
yes did so under your name.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...65519e8e9c8d7a

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Actually, you did.

Actually, I didn't.



May 13th at 9:08 AM. At least the person who wrote yes did so under your
name.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...65519e8e9c8d7a

You asked a question, I simply provided the correct answer.

Matt, Steve, stop it please. "Yes you did" "No I didn't"; haven't heard an
exchange like this since the fourth grade.


Jim



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Actually, you did.

Actually, I didn't.



May 13th at 9:08 AM. At least the person who wrote yes did so under your
name.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...65519e8e9c8d7a

You asked a question, I simply provided the correct answer.

"RST Engineering" wrote

Matt, Steve, stop it please. "Yes you did" "No I didn't"; haven't heard
an exchange like this since the fourth grade.

Steve is the king of these arguments. Various other suckers get drawn in,
along the way.

I quit reading Steven's posts, because of his picking nits off of nits.

Shame really, because he has a lot of good experience and information.
--
Jim in NC