CNN article on problems in Air Travel, as seen by FAA

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:48:47 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

And you largely have these delays:

a. because of uncontrollable weather factors

b. because politicians, like with Social Security, have stolen the
money from fee based funds set aside to improve the system

c. have completely failed to build a modern GPS based ATC system


While you are right about everything else in your post and the guy calling
himself Jerry Lewis is a racist idiot, I think yu are wrong here. The delays
are caused because all the airlines want to fly at the same time from the
same places. The above just adds to your problems.



Yes, that is the short tem problem alright, but significant capacity
would be added to the system if they had a GPC ATC system. The FAA
has failed to produce this for years and already failed miserably on
one try with a billion + loss. With the same amount of flights with
such a system, delays wouldn't be a problem.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:56:22 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
John Kulp wrote:

And you largely have these delays:

a. because of uncontrollable weather factors

b. because politicians, like with Social Security, have stolen the
money from fee based funds set aside to improve the system

c. have completely failed to build a modern GPS based ATC system


While you are right about everything else in your post and the guy calling
himself Jerry Lewis is a racist idiot, I think yu are wrong here. The
delays are caused because all the airlines want to fly at the same time
from the same places. The above just adds to your problems.

Kinda like where everyone wants to go to the same restaurants on Friday
evening about
6:00PM?

Pretty much, but they have bouncers to control that

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:48:47 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

c. have completely failed to build a modern GPS based ATC system


I think yu are wrong here. The delays
are caused because all the airlines want to fly at the same time from the
same places. The above just adds to your problems.

You have to make allowances for clueless non-aviators; this is
crossposted to rec.travel.air the home of Mr. Atkielski.

John Kulp wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:48:47 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

John Kulp wrote:
And you largely have these delays:

a. because of uncontrollable weather factors

b. because politicians, like with Social Security, have stolen the
money from fee based funds set aside to improve the system

c. have completely failed to build a modern GPS based ATC system

While you are right about everything else in your post and the guy calling
himself Jerry Lewis is a racist idiot, I think yu are wrong here. The delays
are caused because all the airlines want to fly at the same time from the
same places. The above just adds to your problems.



Yes, that is the short tem problem alright, but significant capacity
would be added to the system if they had a GPC ATC system. The FAA
has failed to produce this for years and already failed miserably on
one try with a billion + loss. With the same amount of flights with
such a system, delays wouldn't be a problem.


There ya go blaming the racist KKK again. Never challenge a
minority and their competence or they will call you racist
and hide behind blaming whitey.(See Al Sharpton race
extortion academy)

GPS is pie in the sky. A minuscule single threaded signal
from space that can be jammed with $200 worth of radio shack
parts. So in your feeble brain you will hang all your FAA
navigation systems on a weak and easily jammed technology huh?

I don't care what you do if you

1. Don't put more concrete on the ground
2. Hire competent FAA Managers
3. Work with rather than **** off all the controllers and
technicians

You will still get record delays

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its
victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live
under robber barons than under omnipotent moral
busybodies(FAA Civil Rights and EEO empires).

The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity
may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for
our own good will torment us without end, for they do so
with the approval of their own conscience." ---C.S. Lewis

By the way, while the FAA does pay for this...

https://employees.faa.gov/employee_s...ions_programs/


They are CUTTING controllers and technicians. And you think
spending money on minority and female social programs is
better money spent than controllers and technicians?

Poor *******. You are so clueless. But I guess it makes you
feel better calling me racist and avoiding the
accountability and problem of incompetent minorities.

Typical

Why don't you go to this site and you will see the FAA is a
mess. If you can read.

http://themainbang.typepad.com/blog/

http://www.faafollies.com/

John Kulp wrote:


Yes, that is the short tem problem alright, but significant capacity
would be added to the system if they had a GPC ATC system. The FAA
has failed to produce this for years and already failed miserably on
one try with a billion + loss. With the same amount of flights with
such a system, delays wouldn't be a problem.

All the space based ATC in the world isn't going to add gates and runways at
the major airports. The answer to the problem is simple. Charge more for
taking off from JFK at 8:00am than you do at 2:00am.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:30:16 -0400, JerryLewis
wrote:


Yes, that is the short tem problem alright, but significant capacity
would be added to the system if they had a GPC ATC system. The FAA
has failed to produce this for years and already failed miserably on
one try with a billion + loss. With the same amount of flights with
such a system, delays wouldn't be a problem.


There ya go blaming the racist KKK again. Never challenge a
minority and their competence or they will call you racist
and hide behind blaming whitey.(See Al Sharpton race
extortion academy)

Stupid racist blathering cut for all you decent folks out there.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:49:55 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

John Kulp wrote:


Yes, that is the short tem problem alright, but significant capacity
would be added to the system if they had a GPC ATC system. The FAA
has failed to produce this for years and already failed miserably on
one try with a billion + loss. With the same amount of flights with
such a system, delays wouldn't be a problem.

All the space based ATC in the world isn't going to add gates and runways at
the major airports. The answer to the problem is simple. Charge more for
taking off from JFK at 8:00am than you do at 2:00am.



Gates can be a problem sometime but not runways. The GPS system would
handle about 25% more flights on the same runways. Aren't you paying
enough all ready for flights? Want to pay more when the politicos are
stealing what money is already being paid for?

"John Kulp" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:56:22 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


Kinda like where everyone wants to go to the same restaurants on Friday
evening about
6:00PM?

Pretty much, but they have bouncers to control that

Or they build a bigger restaurant, or they figure a way to get people in and
out faster.

The FAA is running ATC about like they did 30 years ago (i.e., labor
intensive).

"John Kulp" wrote

Gates can be a problem sometime but not runways. The GPS system would
handle about 25% more flights on the same runways. Aren't you paying
enough all ready for flights? Want to pay more when the politicos are
stealing what money is already being paid for?

So you are saying, at peak rush times, there is 25% extra time for
separation to be maintained?
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:51 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"John Kulp" wrote

Gates can be a problem sometime but not runways. The GPS system would
handle about 25% more flights on the same runways. Aren't you paying
enough all ready for flights? Want to pay more when the politicos are
stealing what money is already being paid for?

So you are saying, at peak rush times, there is 25% extra time for
separation to be maintained?
--
Jim in NC



GPS allows for closer spacing and straighter flight paths allowing
more flights to be handled in the same time span. About 25% more.