Beware travelers with bratty kids

john smith writes:

Steve Loucks, a spokesman for Carlson Wagonlit Travel, the travel
agency, said parents need to realize that, "in the post-9/11 world,
there's no room for error on airplanes. Unruly passengers, regardless of
who they are, whether it's an elderly person or a young child, can be
grounds for turning the plane around and letting them off. ... If ever
there were a place where you need to make sure your children were
behaving, this is the place."

Interesting, but 9/11 didn't produce this; it was the case long before
that happened.

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C J Campbell wrote in
e.com:

Well, of course if you are going to expect the flight crew to risk their
careers (and the child's safety) by breaking the FARs then they have the
right to expect you to support them for the rest of their lives if they
get caught, right?

Are you implying that if the parent put the kid on his lap, got the kid to
shut up, and told the attendant that he was 2, there would be an FAA
investigation yielding evidence of the child's age?

Or is it more likely that the parent would have accepted responsibility for
the safety of the child, and for the violation of the FARs, and yet the plane
would have taken off and landed uneventfully. And had that not been the case,
the flight crew's lives would not have lasted much longer than the childs, so
no additional support would be necessary.

Judah wrote:
C J Campbell wrote in
e.com:

Well, of course if you are going to expect the flight crew to risk their
careers (and the child's safety) by breaking the FARs then they have the
right to expect you to support them for the rest of their lives if they
get caught, right?

Are you implying that if the parent put the kid on his lap, got the kid to
shut up, and told the attendant that he was 2, there would be an FAA
investigation yielding evidence of the child's age?

Or is it more likely that the parent would have accepted responsibility for
the safety of the child, and for the violation of the FARs, and yet the plane
would have taken off and landed uneventfully. And had that not been the case,
the flight crew's lives would not have lasted much longer than the childs, so
no additional support would be necessary.


I don't know what CJ was saying but I'd say that if the parents were
holding the child in their lap and there had been an event that caused
the child to be injured I'm quite sure these parents would have sued the
airline.

And what could the FAA do to the parents for violation of an FAR? For
all we know there may have been FAA inspectors on the aircraft.

601XL Builder writes:

And what could the FAA do to the parents for violation of an FAR?

They were interfering with a flight crew, which is a felony.

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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:17:29 GMT, Judah wrote:

C J Campbell wrote in
le.com:

Well, of course if you are going to expect the flight crew to risk their
careers (and the child's safety) by breaking the FARs then they have the
right to expect you to support them for the rest of their lives if they
get caught, right?

Are you implying that if the parent put the kid on his lap, got the kid to
shut up, and told the attendant that he was 2, there would be an FAA
investigation yielding evidence of the child's age?

Or is it more likely that the parent would have accepted responsibility for

That is not an option. The parent can not take responsibility that
belongs to any of the flight crew. It is quite likely that some time
in the not too distant future even infants will have to be in an
approved seat restraint at take off and landing.

the safety of the child, and for the violation of the FARs, and yet the plane
would have taken off and landed uneventfully. And had that not been the case,
the flight crew's lives would not have lasted much longer than the childs, so
no additional support would be necessary.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:
That is not an option. The parent can not take responsibility that
belongs to any of the flight crew. It is quite likely that some time
in the not too distant future even infants will have to be in an
approved seat restraint at take off and landing.

they should be. Pax are not allowed to hold a small bag weighing 10
pounds but a parent holding a 35 pound 'meat missile' is completely
fine. I'm surprised the FAA and JAA has allowed this to go on this long.

Gerald

G. Sylvester wrote:

they should be. Pax are not allowed to hold a small bag weighing 10
pounds but a parent holding a 35 pound 'meat missile' is completely
fine. I'm surprised the FAA and JAA has allowed this to go on this long.

personally, I'd rather see all kids (say under 18), sedated, in
properly setup crates (water supply, very absorbant ground cover)
shipped in the cargo hold with other large pets.

--Sylvain

Roger wrote in
:

That is not an option. The parent can not take responsibility that
belongs to any of the flight crew. It is quite likely that some time
in the not too distant future even infants will have to be in an
approved seat restraint at take off and landing.

What documentation is a parent required to provide in order to fly a 2 year
old on his lap?

Judah wrote:
Roger wrote in
:

That is not an option. The parent can not take responsibility that
belongs to any of the flight crew. It is quite likely that some time
in the not too distant future even infants will have to be in an
approved seat restraint at take off and landing.

What documentation is a parent required to provide in order to fly a 2 year
old on his lap?
No amount of documentation will change this. You can't fly with a 2
year old in your lap. Under 2 you can but 2 or older must be in a seat
with the seat belt fastened

John Theune wrote in
news:kwnvh.2765$Hb6.1352@trndny02:

Judah wrote:
Roger wrote in
:

That is not an option. The parent can not take responsibility that
belongs to any of the flight crew. It is quite likely that some time
in the not too distant future even infants will have to be in an
approved seat restraint at take off and landing.

What documentation is a parent required to provide in order to fly a 2
year old on his lap?
No amount of documentation will change this. You can't fly with a 2
year old in your lap. Under 2 you can but 2 or older must be in a seat
with the seat belt fastened

I was under the impression it was 2 and under. The point being, what
documentation does a parent need to provide to prove the child is within the
age limit? Without documentation, how does a flight attendant who has no
first-hand experience dealing with children discern a 22 month old child from
a 28 month old child?

Presumably, the parent simply says the child is under 2, and the problem goes
away.