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An eye for an eye ends with Judgment is mine with the Lord
speaking.

Murder is killing without legal justification and as is also
said, one wrong does not make a right. Hollywood loves to
make stupid movies about people who murder for sport,
revenge or other reasons. There was the movie about the
person who had been convicted of murder for killing someone
who turned up alive after a few years. In Hollywood that
means they could be murdered without further penalty. Or
recently the four "brothers" who set out to avenge the death
of their mom.

Time is a convenience so everything doesn't happen at
once...Einstein


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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
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"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:vcztf.1699$713.921@trnddc01...
| Matt Whiting wrote:
|
| Except that it isn't morally right.
|
| Yes, it is.
|
| George Patterson
| Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by
rights belong to
| your slightly older self.

("Jim Macklin" wrote)
Criminals should live in fear of ordinary citizens, not the
other way around. But, the vigilante justice, as seen in
the Charles Bronson movies, is wrong.


The first Death Wish (1974) was a pretty good little movie.

The rest --- 2, 3, 4 and 5 were just ..."wrong".


Montblack

To a cannibal, eating people is moral, not eating people is
twisted. Morals and truth are relative to your experience
and expectations.

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.



"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
| George Patterson wrote:
| Matt Whiting wrote:
|
| Except that it isn't morally right.
|
|
| Yes, it is.
|
| If you have no morals.
|
| Matt

That's the best post you've ever put here, Jim, even if it is off-topic,
off-thread, and probably fattening.


Jack

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Jim Macklin wrote:
Jury nullification, a great American tradition, that you
won't be told about in court. A jury is allowed to judge
the defendant and the law. The Judge will tell you to decide
if the defendant violated the LAW as written, the jury has
the right, duty and power to also judge the LAW and its
application in order to render Justice. If the jury is only
allowed to decide that the law was violated, the jury will
become part of the tyranny and not the shield that the
Founders wanted.

American Jury Institute/Fully Informed Jury Association:
Home
A non-profit educational association whose mission is to
inform all Americans
about their rights, powers and responsibilities when serving
as trial jurors.
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Matt Whiting wrote:

Except that it isn't morally right.

Puke, gag, whine, and whimper.

You'll be OK, sonny, just relax.


Jack

Jack wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

Except that it isn't morally right.


Puke, gag, whine, and whimper.

You'll be OK, sonny, just relax.

I'm very relaxed, pappy.

Matt

The first Death Wish movie was well done and a good study in
human and political behavior. But even saying that, going
"looking for trouble" just so you can kill a mugger is
wrong. If you're out doing something legal, such as
shopping, going to the car wash, church, fishing or just a
walk in the park and you are attacked, you should be able to
defend yourself [or another person] with deadly force if
needed. But Trolling for muggers is a stakeout that the
police do and then they arrest.

If I am in a place where I can legally be armed and I am
attacked, I will defend myself. But my purpose is not to
punish the attacker or kill the attacker, it is to keep them
from injuring or killing me. If you kill someone and you
have justification you may still have a big legal bill to
pay and you may lose your home. If a burglar is in your
home and he wants your TV let him take it...if he wants your
wife or daughter, stop him. When he stops you quit and call
the police [if you haven't already- tip-get your gun and
flashlight, call 911 if you have time and leave the phone
line open so what happens and what is said is recorded] and
give medical attention. Call your lawyer too, you'll
probably be arrested in your own home unless the burglar was
bearded and about 30 years of age and you're female and 80.
Shoot a teenager or someone about your same age, and you'll
have to prove your innocence. That's why some states have
now passed "make my day" laws.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Montblack" wrote in
message ...
| ("Jim Macklin" wrote)
| Criminals should live in fear of ordinary citizens, not
the
| other way around. But, the vigilante justice, as seen
in
| the Charles Bronson movies, is wrong.
|
|
| The first Death Wish (1974) was a pretty good little
movie.
|
| The rest --- 2, 3, 4 and 5 were just ..."wrong".
|
|
| Montblack

Thanks, just don't tell a court if you want to serve on a
jury.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Jack" wrote in message
. net...
| That's the best post you've ever put here, Jim, even if it
is off-topic,
| off-thread, and probably fattening.
|
|
| Jack
|
| -----------------
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Jury nullification, a great American tradition, that you
| won't be told about in court. A jury is allowed to
judge
| the defendant and the law. The Judge will tell you to
decide
| if the defendant violated the LAW as written, the jury
has
| the right, duty and power to also judge the LAW and its
| application in order to render Justice. If the jury is
only
| allowed to decide that the law was violated, the jury
will
| become part of the tyranny and not the shield that the
| Founders wanted.
|
| American Jury Institute/Fully Informed Jury Association:
| Home
| A non-profit educational association whose mission is to
| inform all Americans
| about their rights, powers and responsibilities when
serving
| as trial jurors.
| www.fija.org/ - 11k - Dec 29, 2005 - Cached - Similar
pages
|
| Fully Informed Jury Association Home Page
| The Fully Informed Jury Association is a non-profit
(501c3)
| educational organization
| dedicated to informing jurors of their rights,
particularly
| their right ...
| www.ibiblio.org/fija/fijahome.htm - 2k - Cached -
Similar
| pages

Jim Macklin wrote:
Thanks, just don't tell a court if you want to serve on a
jury.


Mum's the word.


Jack

Jim Macklin wrote:

The first Death Wish movie was well done and a good study in
human and political behavior. But even saying that, going
"looking for trouble" just so you can kill a mugger is
wrong. If you're out doing something legal, such as
shopping, going to the car wash, church, fishing or just a
walk in the park and you are attacked, you should be able to
defend yourself [or another person] with deadly force if
needed. But Trolling for muggers is a stakeout that the
police do and then they arrest.

If I am in a place where I can legally be armed and I am
attacked, I will defend myself. But my purpose is not to
punish the attacker or kill the attacker, it is to keep them
from injuring or killing me. If you kill someone and you
have justification you may still have a big legal bill to
pay and you may lose your home. If a burglar is in your
home and he wants your TV let him take it...if he wants your
wife or daughter, stop him. When he stops you quit and call
the police [if you haven't already- tip-get your gun and
flashlight, call 911 if you have time and leave the phone
line open so what happens and what is said is recorded] and
give medical attention. Call your lawyer too, you'll
probably be arrested in your own home unless the burglar was
bearded and about 30 years of age and you're female and 80.
Shoot a teenager or someone about your same age, and you'll
have to prove your innocence. That's why some states have
now passed "make my day" laws.

I generally agree with your recommendations here, but they do run
counter to what the County Sheriff told me when I got my first
protection permit (this was long before the co-called concealed carry
permits - I can carry mine openly if I choose). The Sheriff told me not
to go looking for trouble as you say, which is just plain old common
sense, but if I needed to defend myself and my family, he said to shoot
to kill. I asked him why and he said two reasons:
1. Killing the attacker is the most assured means of ending the attack
2. Dead men don't testify.


Matt