I'm not a real Pilot?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Maxwell writes:

Can I ever relate to that. I can remember many cross country flights
where we often had to grab a little altitude from time to time, to
cross power lines and sometimes even fences. The lower and slower,
the more real it seems to become.

And the more it violates the FARs.


No it doesn't, you fjukkwit.

Besdies, you live in France, there are no FARs in France...


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Maxwell writes:

Which paragraph did I violate boy wonder, A, B, or C?

All three.

If you risk hitting a fence, you're too low to land safely in the
event of an emergency (paragraph (a)), and unless the fence is 500
feet high, you're too low, period (paragraph (c) and/or (b)).

Aparently you can't read as well as not being able to fly.


bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jim Logajan writes:

You're overlooking something important.

What am I overlooking?


Reality.

berteee.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Much of my interest in aviation is in aircraft and procedures,
not just having the wind in my hair.


When pilots talk of gas, they don't mean the gastric variety.

Cheers MC

"DR" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Much of my interest in aviation is in aircraft and procedures,
not just having the wind in my hair.


When pilots talk of gas, they don't mean the gastric variety.


When MX has to make a gas stop in his simulator, he just takes Beano and
opens the window.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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d&tm writes:

Thats crap. How much does a car cost in France?

Somewhat less than the price of a PPL.

I think there is more than a handful of people who own cars.

It depends on the area. In Paris, only about 20% of the population even
has a
license, much less a car.

I have read of a kid in Australia who is using his paperound money
to learn to fly.

How does he pay for rent, groceries, insurance, utilities, taxes, and the
rest?

I cant believe that anybody in
a Western Country like France could not learn to fly if they really had
the
passion.

I suppose nothing is out of reach, if someone is "passionate" enough to,
say,
sell a kidney. But the reality is that the price is so high that only the
most fanatic potential pilots are willing to sacrifice everything else in
order to get that license. But maybe that's the way other pilots want
it--in
order to have a more exclusive club.

The medicals are not that demanding.

I hope your next one goes well.

I would be surprised if more than 5% of the population up to 50 years
of age could not get a private medical.

The average age of pilots in the U.S. is around 47. I'd guess that about
25%
of them could not pass the medical exam.

then how could they still be pilots and even so 75% is hardly exclusive as
you make out.


Nobody who really wanted to fly would have a time excuse. They
would make time.

Yes, they could kill their spouse and children in order to free up more
time,
and sell their own blood to raise money.

I think you have a very distorted understanding of how much time and money
it takes. I like many "weekend warriors" have a PPL and fly about 50 hours
per year. Hardly a huge time committment. I am also married with 2 kids and
have a responsible job as an industrial chemist, hardly the most highly paid
occupation. And no my kids dont suffer as a result of me spending 50 hours
away flying. In fact I think I set them a good example to go out and chase
their dreams instead of being like most people who waste their lives making
excuses for all the things they wanted to do.

There are many ways to make money, if you have the right attitude. I am no
expert on France but you supposedly came from the USA, the land of
opportunity where anyone can get rich. Not that you have to be especially
rich to fly a single engine plane. To fly 50 hours per year , it cost me
about $5000 US. Why did you move to France if you have to live such a
miserable existance there?

Just how much do you expect people to sacrifice in order to fly?

I dont expect anything of other people. I just think you are making pretty
lame excuses for not getting off your butt and having a go. you are trying
to justify that lame attitude by telling us how difficult it is.

Having said that, and reading between the lines and many
of your other posts and your website, your health is obviously an
issue,
and I am sincerely sorry for you that is the case.

Everything is an issue for me: money, time, health, lots of things.

Defeatist attitude. Why not just spill your guts and tell us what the
issues are and see if we cant actually help you. The fact that you can read
and write , you can obviously walk and talk ( I know about your Paris tour
guiding) says to me you could get in an airplane with an instructor and have
a go.


But even so there are ways that you can still take the controls of a
real
aeroplane if you so desire.

It's easier to fly a simulator. And simulators get better all the time.

Of course it is easier, but then nothing much that is worth doing in this
world is easy. When you are lying on your death bed will you look back with
any sense of achievement that you "flew" a simulator?



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d&tm writes:

I think you have a very distorted understanding of how much time and money
it takes. I like many "weekend warriors" have a PPL and fly about 50 hours
per year. Hardly a huge time committment.

Five thousand dollars for fifty hours? A hundred dollars per hour? It seems
to me a lot more economical to fly a sim for essentially zero dollars for as
many hours as I have free time. Sure, a real aircraft is _real_, but you have
to draw a line somewhere. Would you rather have 50 real hours than 500
simulated? How about 1 real hour versus 1000 simulated? At some points, the
sim becomes more cost-effective. I suppose the threshold varies depending on
exactly what you get out of flying. If most of what you enjoy is provided in
simulation as well as real life, there's not much reason to fly for real. If
you really must have things that come only with real flight (or only with very
expensive simulators), then I suppose you have to settle for the occasional
hour or two of flight in a real aircraft.

I am also married with 2 kids and
have a responsible job as an industrial chemist, hardly the most highly paid
occupation. And no my kids dont suffer as a result of me spending 50 hours
away flying.

If you have enough income to blow $5000 a year just on 50 hours of flight,
you're doing very well.

In fact I think I set them a good example to go out and chase
their dreams instead of being like most people who waste their lives making
excuses for all the things they wanted to do.

Chasing one's dreams is a good idea, but you still have to think about the
return on investment.

There are many ways to make money, if you have the right attitude. I am no
expert on France but you supposedly came from the USA, the land of
opportunity where anyone can get rich. Not that you have to be especially
rich to fly a single engine plane. To fly 50 hours per year , it cost me
about $5000 US. Why did you move to France if you have to live such a
miserable existance there?

Paris is actually a very nice city in which to live. The _only_ disadvantage
is the cost of living, and it's not the most expensive major city in the
world. But when you have nothing, the COL obstacle is significant. If you
have money, I'd say there are few better cities in which to live in the world.

I dont expect anything of other people. I just think you are making pretty
lame excuses for not getting off your butt and having a go. you are trying
to justify that lame attitude by telling us how difficult it is.

The price is too high. People here are saying that if I'm not willing to cut
off an arm to pay for flying, I'm not serious about it. That's completely
untrue. I just can't afford to dedicate such resources to it, and even if I
could, I do have a life outside of aviation, and spending every spare minute
and dime on flying would be a bit lopsided.

Defeatist attitude. Why not just spill your guts and tell us what the
issues are and see if we cant actually help you.

You can't help me, but thanks.

The fact that you can read
and write , you can obviously walk and talk ( I know about your Paris tour
guiding) says to me you could get in an airplane with an instructor and have
a go.

Right now I make ends meet only thanks to handouts from friends and relatives.
I can't really expect them to pay for flying lessons in addition to groceries,
can I?

Of course it is easier, but then nothing much that is worth doing in this
world is easy. When you are lying on your death bed will you look back with
any sense of achievement that you "flew" a simulator?

It's not a sense of achievement, it's just something enjoyable to do, just
like flying a real airplane. I don't get anything out of either of these as
_goals_, I only profit from them as _activities_.

It's a bit like chess. I have one of the lowest ratings in the Internet Chess
Club, only a few places above the bottom (out of thousands of players). But
that has never bothered me because chess is just an enjoyable activity for me;
I don't care what my rating is, and I don't even care if I win or lose a game,
as long as it's fun. People who are highly competitive and goal-oriented
might think I'm wasting my time, but it works well for me.

In fact, if anything, I consider these "goals" to be discouraging obstacles.
Why should I fly a real plane when I have to jump through so many hoops and
spend so much money just to get a piece of paper that allows it, when I can do
practically the same thing with a simulator?

I don't understand why so many pilots are down on simulators. I guess the
only viewpoints they can understand are their own.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
I don't understand why ...

There is something about *reality* and real life that many of us find
appealing, strangely enough. I know it has its snags, like you
can get hurt for real, it lacks reset, pause and fast-forward buttons,
but it still beats make-believe any day.

--Sylvain

Sylvain writes:

There is something about *reality* and real life that many of us find
appealing, strangely enough.

That doesn't explain the success of Hollywood, or literary fiction, or the
theater, or the wide popularity of many types of simulation, including flight
simulation, driving simulation, sport simulation, life simulation, you name
it. Clearly, a lot of people _do_ find simulation appealing.

I know it has its snags, like you
can get hurt for real, it lacks reset, pause and fast-forward buttons,
but it still beats make-believe any day.

Yes, I'm sure that people who fly combat flight simulators would much rather
be shot at and killed for real.

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David wrote:
Once again, I'm not a real pilot.

I think you're a real pilot. But for some odd reason you like to
sit inside a metal (or wood and fabric) box all the time.

I normally invite those that tell me I'm not a real pilot to go up and
fly around in the clouds with me and see if they can land the plane.

I've landed with the plane once and I didn't like it. I much prefer
getting out and doing the landing by myself. I try not to hassle the
airplane pilots too much, though, because as far as I know there aren't
any BASE objects that will get you 10,000 or more AGL.

Matt Roberds