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Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said: In a previous article, Matt Whiting said: Paul Tomblin wrote: Think about people like me next time you dismiss somebody as "really aren't handicapped" just because you can't see anything wrong with them. Read it again, for comprehension this time. I didn't say people I've "seen", I said people I "know." There is a big difference. These are Yeah, you were talking about people you know. But there are a lot of Oh, and by the way. I bet fewer than 10% of the people who think they "know" me know that I have this pain. I bet a lot of them "know" that I don't really need to sit when I'm sitting. I can't speak for folks who know you. I guess the question is to they see you playing golf, mowing the yard with a push mower, etc. I've known a number of people who do these things and more and then park their car in the handicap slot at Wal-Mart. If someone can push a mower or walk a golf course, then they certainly can cross 200' of flat parking lot. Matt |
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In a previous article, Matt Whiting said:
Paul Tomblin wrote: Oh, and by the way. I bet fewer than 10% of the people who think they "know" me know that I have this pain. I bet a lot of them "know" that I don't really need to sit when I'm sitting. I can't speak for folks who know you. I guess the question is to they see you playing golf, mowing the yard with a push mower, etc. I've known a number of people who do these things and more and then park their car in the handicap slot at Wal-Mart. If someone can push a mower or walk a golf course, then they certainly can cross 200' of flat parking lot. Like I said, I can "spend" the pain if it's worth it - so I can walk around the field at Oshkosh for 5 straight days, providing I don't have to walk at all for the following week or two. And I can mow the grass, although I prefer my self propelled mower to a normal one. And I carry my own kayak to the put-in from the parking lot. But that doesn't mean I want to spend my daily pain allotment on walking around the mall. The reason I don't ask for a handicap tag is that I don't think the extra few minutes it would save in the parking lot is all that significant compared to the hour or more of walking and standing a typical trip to the mall costs me. When I remember, I carry a cane as "protective colouration" - it doesn't help me walk, but it does help justify my sitting down when there are women standing. For really arduous shopping trips (like Christmas), I sometimes get the shopping mall wheel chairs, but then I have to endure "assistants" in the shops who ignore me, talk to my wife about me as if I wasn't there, or who act like I must be retarded because I'm in a wheel chair. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Diplomacy is the ability to let someone else have your way. |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
I've known a number of people who do these things and more and then park their car in the handicap slot at Wal-Mart. A woman goes into Wal-Mart to buy a rod and reel. She doesn't know which one to get so she just grabs one and goes over to the register. There is a Wal-Mart "associate" standing there with dark shades on. She says, "Excuse me sir...can you tell me anything about this rod and reel?" He says, "Ma'am I'm blind but if you will drop it on the counter I can tell you everything you need to know about it from the sound that it makes." She didn't believe him, but dropped it on the counter anyway. He said, "That's a 6' graphite rod with a Zebco 202 reel and 10 lb. test line. It's a good all around rod and reel and it's $20.00." She says, "Thats amazing that you can tell all that just by the sound of it dropping on the counter. I think it's what I'm looking for so I'll take it." He walks behind the counter to the register, and in the meantime the woman farts. At first she is embarrassed but then realizes that there is no way he could tell it was her--being blind he wouldn't know that she was the only person around. He rings up the sale and says, "That will be $25.50." She says, "But didn't you say it was $20.00?" He says, "Yes ma'am, the rod and reel is $20.00, the duck call is $3.00, and the catfish stink bait is $2.50." --- Tbread drifted enough to make the post above ontopic... ;-P |
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Here are my two cents as an orthopedic surgeon and pilot (attending OSH
tomorrow). In my opinion, I never give anyone a permanent handicapped parking sticker unless they need a cane, crutches, walker, or wheel chair to ambulate. This especially includes people who have undergone joint replacement and have no problem playing 18 holes of golf, but want to park a little closer at the grocery store. Besides, most of the others who ask for stickers would do themselves a lot better if they did more walking rather than riding on scooters. I also see a lot more abuse of handicapped parking places than I do people using them who really need the assistance. In essence, I agree with the original post. After recently traveling to Europe and Southwest Asia on a military deployment it was noticeable how obese the average American was compared to their European counterparts. It's a lot easier to ride a scooter that's paid for by insurance than to lose weight. On the other hand, for the right person, both scooters and handicapped permits can really expand the quality of life of an individual, assuming that they are prescribed appropriately. |
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In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote: Yeah, you were talking about people you know. But there are a lot of people out there who sneer at me in public because I sit while others have to stand and do what I can to avoid unnecessary walking and standing. I hear the rude remarks from total strangers, and I was addressing my remarks more to them than to you. I think the problem comes in when you have folks who are able to get around, even if it's painful, but then there are those who really can't get around even if they want to. If someone is willing to put up with the pain to walk around OSH or to go and play 18 holes, why should they be riding a scooter or park in a handicapped space at the grocery store? Obviously, they don't need it. There are those with serious disabilities or medical conditions, who simply can't get around, and then there are those who are just lazy. JKG |
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I have a fairly useless left leg (having blown it very nearly off years
ago), chronic sciatica, and bad knees. I also refuse to get handicap tags, or use a scooter. In fact, I am an actively serving Reserve Officer in the US Army. I truly believe that the majority of welfare scum who steal money from us through taxes to fund their little freaking scooters, might weigh a pound or two less than the 500 they seem to average if they'd exercise a little, instead of riding their scooter, paid for by you and me, to the Old Country Buffet. As for pain, learn to live with it. It has become my special friend, and it can be yours. I had a very low pain threshold before I went on this campaign to singlehandedly destroy my body through misuse, but now I live with it every day, once I learned to grow up and get over it. Drew |
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Matt Whiting writes:
I've known a number of people who do these things and more and then park their car in the handicap slot at Wal-Mart. If someone can push a mower or walk a golf course, then they certainly can cross 200' of flat parking lot. There was some senior Apple person who insisted on parking in one handicapped spot. So they changed the sign to: "Reserved for the mentally or physically handicapped only" -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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Jonathan
in the spirit of bringing it a little bit back on topic :-) you wouldn't believe how few airports have handicap parking spots for aircraft (actually, the only time I remember I had such a spot reserved was on an AFB, believe it or not, these guys are great :-) one of these days I would really like to go to OSH; snag is, it looks like it involves an awful lot of walking (as pointed out by another poster) and I heard that scooters and such were not allowed on the grounds; anyone out there who has mobility limitations has gone to OSH (flying that is) and could tell me about it? --Sylvain |
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Jim N. wrote:
Here are my two cents as an orthopedic surgeon and pilot (attending OSH tomorrow). In my opinion, I never give anyone a permanent handicapped parking sticker unless they need a cane, crutches, walker, or wheel chair to ambulate. This especially includes people who have undergone joint replacement and have no problem playing 18 holes of golf, but want to park a little closer at the grocery store. Besides, most of the others who ask for stickers would do themselves a lot better if they did more walking rather than riding on scooters. I also see a lot more abuse of handicapped parking places than I do people using them who really need the assistance. In essence, I agree with the original post. After recently traveling to Europe and Southwest Asia on a military deployment it was noticeable how obese the average American was compared to their European counterparts. It's a lot easier to ride a scooter that's paid for by insurance than to lose weight. On the other hand, for the right person, both scooters and handicapped permits can really expand the quality of life of an individual, assuming that they are prescribed appropriately. I wish all docs shared your philosophy! Matt |
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Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:36:15 GMT, Matt Whiting wrote: :I have degenerative disk disease. You can't always tell it from :watching me walk, but some days you can. I could easily get a handicap ermit, and actually have had doctors suggest I get one. I also have a :high pain threshold and wouldn't think of getting a handicap permit :unless it gets a LOT worse. And you'd then be able to tell from looking :at me that I needed the permit. Matt, with all due respect - get one. My dad had one for bad knees (both eventually replaced, which helped some but not enough.) If you don't need it, don't use it, leave it in the glove box. Then one long, bad day with lots of walking, you'll have one last errand to do - and no one will begrudge you. I just can't see having one when I see people who REALLY need them. I don't feel I'm at the level of need. Maybe in 20 years. Also, I NEED the exercise! :-) Matt |
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