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Old August 19th 07, 02:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Gary Emerson
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Default At risk of starting a religious war.

Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?



Bruce wrote:
As far as I know the criticisms of the DuoDiscus related to
Cockpit space - particularly in the front.
Outlanding capability - effectiveness of airbrakes.
Unsprung and low clearance undercarriage

So Schempp-Hirth went away and improved the breed. Not least I am sure
because the DG1000 apparently had a better overall polar. (DGs test in
2000 was against a Duo, not a Duo x...)

Despite the "x" being first flown in June 2005 and certified in February
2006 - I have not found much reporting on the new improved Duo-Discus.
Given the nature of RAS I am sure I can get some opinions.

Has anyone flown the newest version of the Duo-Discus with it's bigger
cockpit? Who is prepared to comment on the relative success of the "x"
modifications (winglets and revised airfoils and landing flaps and
sprung undercarriage).

Seems to me there would be more discussion on this , or do two seaters
not generate the same passion?

Is it better at XC?
Is it safer XC now?
Can the change in L/D be quantified (SH claim the same 1:45)

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Old August 19th 07, 04:22 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
JS
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Default At risk of starting a religious war.

On Aug 18, 6:58 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?


Best sit down and call Monty or Heinz for that...
Jim

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Old August 19th 07, 09:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan G
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Default At risk of starting a religious war.

On Aug 18, 1:13 pm, Bruce wrote:
The high
undercarriage makes entry and egress a little challenging.


I thought it was too until the owner of one showed me that you just
sit on the sill facing away and then swing your legs in. Once you know
to do that, I can confirm personally that it's easy to get into.


Dan

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Old August 19th 07, 06:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Greg Arnold
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Default At risk of starting a religious war.

Bruce wrote:
JS wrote:
Have flown the Duo Discus at California City, the Duo Discus X at
Heppenheim and the DG-1000 at Mannheim, but not the Duo Discus XL yet!
The nicest handling of the three I've flown is the Duo Discus X.
If you think the original Duo is nimble, try the newer one. Williams
Soaring can check you out in "DDX". Believe Gavin was flying Delta
Delta X-Ray.
I think Schempp-Hirth will be in production of the XLs after the
holiday.
Jim

Hi Jim

I can confirm they will be producing the large cockpit model after the
end of next week. (When they return from the summer holidays)



Bruce


Have they lengthened the fuselage, or have they merely rearranged the
seating position within the existing fuselage (while extending the
canopy aft)?
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Old August 20th 07, 08:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Bruce
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Default At risk of starting a religious war.

Gary Emerson wrote:
Anyone know what a Duo X Turbo is running for US customers right now -
ballpark? I know with the exchange rate it's going to be pretty
painful, but I'd love to know what the ballpark is...

Any idea what the new XL cockpit is going to do to the price?

Apparently it is a no cost change. I don't know whether they will continue
offering the smaller cockpit .



Bruce wrote:
As far as I know the criticisms of the DuoDiscus related to
Cockpit space - particularly in the front.
Outlanding capability - effectiveness of airbrakes.
Unsprung and low clearance undercarriage

So Schempp-Hirth went away and improved the breed. Not least I am sure
because the DG1000 apparently had a better overall polar. (DGs test in
2000 was against a Duo, not a Duo x...)

Despite the "x" being first flown in June 2005 and certified in
February 2006 - I have not found much reporting on the new improved
Duo-Discus. Given the nature of RAS I am sure I can get some opinions.

Has anyone flown the newest version of the Duo-Discus with it's bigger
cockpit? Who is prepared to comment on the relative success of the "x"
modifications (winglets and revised airfoils and landing flaps and
sprung undercarriage).

Seems to me there would be more discussion on this , or do two seaters
not generate the same passion?

Is it better at XC?
Is it safer XC now?
Can the change in L/D be quantified (SH claim the same 1:45)

 




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